tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post1206599832419028216..comments2023-10-19T10:34:33.030-05:00Comments on Praisegod Barebones: Obama, God, and the State of the UnionBart Barberhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-20189126505055837202009-02-28T12:05:00.000-06:002009-02-28T12:05:00.000-06:00Scott,Maybe he ought to save everybody the time an...Scott,<BR/><BR/>Maybe he ought to save everybody the time and just put together a book of acceptable prayers. Do you think he should get Congress to approve it as the official national prayer-book, or do you think he could just do that by virtue of his own personal authority as the President?Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-66368535884032026042009-02-28T10:22:00.000-06:002009-02-28T10:22:00.000-06:00I see where the Obama White House is now vetting p...I see where the Obama White House is now vetting prayers at events where the President will attend. The irony is incredible. The state is now approving the church's prayers.Scott Shafferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03312545003301027755noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-73302896956842671922009-02-26T17:24:00.000-06:002009-02-26T17:24:00.000-06:00Bart: ... I am a firm believer in Proverbs 21:1 [a...<EM>Bart: ... I am a firm believer in Proverbs 21:1 [and] ... my hope ... is that President Obama might be a radically different person in 2012 than he is today....</EM><BR/><BR/>bapticus hereticus: and Proverbs 21.2 would argue that we all be radically different in 2012 than we are today, given none of us, to date, have been as consistent or humble as we would desire or as is needed.bapticus hereticushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14313104957715780200noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-25833148885802832212009-02-26T16:41:00.000-06:002009-02-26T16:41:00.000-06:00Well, BH, allow me to be just as crystal-clear as ...Well, BH, allow me to be just as crystal-clear as I know how to be: I am a firm believer in Proverbs 21:1. Although I know of the profound gulf that separates President Obama from myself at this juncture, my prayer, my hope, and my embraced possibility is that President Obama might be a radically different person in 2012 than he is today. I'm not only WILLING to wait and see how things turn out, Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-52112548496070599682009-02-26T16:31:00.000-06:002009-02-26T16:31:00.000-06:00Bart: ... I'm not making of this any more than it ...<EM>Bart: ... I'm not making of this any more than it is. I'm not extrapolating. I'm just standing where we are, looking around, and leaving it open for all of us to take another look later.</EM><BR/><BR/>bapticus hereticus: and some might suggest that prematurely asking a question biases that which is considered datum (and such possibly facilitates premature assessments). but i agree you have bapticus hereticushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14313104957715780200noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-77597633640165200722009-02-26T16:12:00.000-06:002009-02-26T16:12:00.000-06:00True. But I'm not making a finding. I'm making an ...True. But I'm not making a finding. I'm making an observation. As we make more observations, we may be ready to make findings at some point in the future. I'm not making of this any more than it is. I'm not extrapolating. I'm just standing where we are, looking around, and leaving it open for all of us to take another look later.Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-39667878730556462862009-02-26T15:41:00.000-06:002009-02-26T15:41:00.000-06:00Bart: Is it fair? To look at the available data? Y...<EM>Bart: Is it fair? To look at the available data? You bet it is. Absolutely.</EM><BR/><BR/>bapticus hereticus: we have rhetoric for two years of campaigning and one month of governing and we are ready to contrast the two periods? the issue is not whether you have data, but whether you have sufficient data in which to generalize a finding.bapticus hereticushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14313104957715780200noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-45379007565110752212009-02-26T15:20:00.000-06:002009-02-26T15:20:00.000-06:00Is it fair? To look at the available data? You bet...Is it fair? To look at the available data? You bet it is. Absolutely.<BR/><BR/>Now, if I were overreaching on the drawing of conclusions, that might not be fair. But I'm not doing that.Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-58151478865998126592009-02-26T14:57:00.000-06:002009-02-26T14:57:00.000-06:00Bart: Trackers of civil religion often watch and a...<EM>Bart: Trackers of civil religion often watch and analyze the level of God-talk in public speeches. It isn't everything, but it isn't nothing, either. The post merely opens the floor for discussion about the dramatic decrease in God-talk now that President Obama is in office.</EM><BR/><BR/>bapticus hereticus: "... now that ... Obama is in office" is an interesting concept. is it fair to bapticus hereticushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14313104957715780200noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-60343804905978714882009-02-26T12:42:00.000-06:002009-02-26T12:42:00.000-06:00BH:Certainly. I did not mean to imply any equation...BH:<BR/><BR/>Certainly. I did not mean to imply any equation between God-talk and God-listening or God-obedience.<BR/><BR/>Trackers of civil religion often watch and analyze the level of God-talk in public speeches. It isn't everything, but it isn't nothing, either. The post merely opens the floor for discussion about the dramatic decrease in God-talk now that President Obama is in office.Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-47914182798858563522009-02-26T12:17:00.000-06:002009-02-26T12:17:00.000-06:00Bart: Heretic, [1] You cannot equate religion and ...<EM>Bart: Heretic, [1] You cannot equate religion and pacifism: [2] 1. There are a great many pacifists who are not religious. [3] 2. There are a great many religious people who are not pacifists. There is even our Lord who said that he had come not to bring peace, but a sword. [4] So, feel free to BE a pacifist if you wish. But you err when you post suggesting that Bush's waging of war against bapticus hereticushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14313104957715780200noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-58647171125993425732009-02-26T11:18:00.000-06:002009-02-26T11:18:00.000-06:00Bart,In line with what the “Anonymous” writer said...Bart,<BR/><BR/>In line with what the “Anonymous” writer said earlier, I just read an article by John MacArthur in the journal on renewal “Heartcry” (published quarterly by Life Action Ministries), entitled “When God Abandons a Nation.” In that article MacArthur turns to Romans 1:18-32 and gives clear evidence that God has turned our nation over the sinful desires of the its flesh. He does WesInTexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16531270190006671713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-69174920992825873662009-02-25T21:11:00.000-06:002009-02-25T21:11:00.000-06:00President Obama may bring troops home. The right o...President Obama may bring troops home. The right or the wrong of that will become evident in short order.<BR/><BR/>Yet, at the same time he has declared war worldwide on the unborn.<BR/><BR/>I cannot see this as a good thing.<BR/><BR/>Also, I agree with Bart. Former President Bush has made some statements and committed some acts that have caused me to question his spiritual condition and brought CB Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02230652312241919771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-65442919269897335972009-02-25T20:25:00.000-06:002009-02-25T20:25:00.000-06:00Bart,I have to wonder if this was an act of Obama,...Bart,<BR/>I have to wonder if this was an act of Obama, or an act of God. Paul wrote in Romans about people who know God and refuse to worship Him. As they persist in their wickedness He finally gives them over to it. One of the results of that is that foolish and vanity abound.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-18054694421008078182009-02-25T18:28:00.000-06:002009-02-25T18:28:00.000-06:00SelahV,Of course he goes to church. I promise you ...SelahV,<BR/><BR/>Of course he goes to church. I promise you that. It was my Dad's job once-upon-a-time to line up visits and ferry Democrats to church after church after church in search of votes.Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-42796196790416665692009-02-25T17:44:00.000-06:002009-02-25T17:44:00.000-06:00Bart, they're taking God out of the schools, out o...Bart, they're taking God out of the schools, out of the historical textbooks, why shouldn't we expect someone like Obama to leave Him out of speeches? Has he found a church yet? Does he even go to church anymore? selahVAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-76840500370142997722009-02-25T17:25:00.000-06:002009-02-25T17:25:00.000-06:00Heretic,You cannot equate religion and pacifism:1....Heretic,<BR/><BR/>You cannot equate religion and pacifism:<BR/><BR/>1. There are a great many pacifists who are not religious.<BR/>2. There are a great many religious people who are not pacifists. There is even our Lord who said that he had come not to bring peace, but a sword.<BR/><BR/>So, feel free to BE a pacifist if you wish. But you err when you post suggesting that Bush's waging of war Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-67165879879884039072009-02-25T15:33:00.000-06:002009-02-25T15:33:00.000-06:00Bart: ... a departure from the pro-religious tone ...<EM>Bart: ... a departure from the pro-religious tone ....</EM><BR/><BR/>Bush: God ... war. War ... God. <BR/><BR/>Obama: ... end war.<BR/><BR/>bapticus hereticus: seems to me, whether God is mentioned or not, ending war is pretty much in line with Christian thought.bapticus hereticushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14313104957715780200noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-32803350828949364762009-02-25T15:09:00.000-06:002009-02-25T15:09:00.000-06:00Chadwick,I've been very disappointed with Presiden...Chadwick,<BR/><BR/>I've been very disappointed with President Bush's recent statements about his theology. They cause me to have grave questions about what he believes.<BR/><BR/>One always runs the risk that politicians are pandering to you because of your faith. But which is better politically: The guy who disagrees with you but panders to you, or the guy who disagrees with you and dismisses youBart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-16603122055409939082009-02-25T14:44:00.000-06:002009-02-25T14:44:00.000-06:00Bart,Concerning the Bush-era god:Didn't Presid...Bart,<BR/><BR/>Concerning the Bush-era god:<BR/><BR/>Didn't President Bush pray to the "god of many understandings"? (In reference to Bush's comment about the god of the Koran & the God of the Bible being the same). <BR/><BR/>Didn't Bush also stated, along with Obama, that there are "many paths" to heaven?<BR/><BR/>Blessings,<BR/>chadwickchadwickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04757302930110281925noreply@blogger.com