tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post1529226071562679503..comments2023-10-19T10:34:33.030-05:00Comments on Praisegod Barebones: Huck 2012Bart Barberhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-91153518209232208802008-10-22T14:28:00.000-05:002008-10-22T14:28:00.000-05:00Bart,Do you consider the view that taking birth co...Bart,<BR/><BR/>Do you consider the view that taking birth control pills is “sin,” “wrong” and “murder” a “biblical worldview”? On the other hand, did I and hundreds of others misunderstand Dr. White’s message? Are Thomas White’s views on birth control the BI position? Do you categorically embrace Dr. White’s entire message without any reservations? Are using birth control pills in marriage Dwighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12083010733573629841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-30347637261560340632008-10-22T08:48:00.000-05:002008-10-22T08:48:00.000-05:00Bart:Good line on the politics issue.Do you know w...Bart:<BR/><BR/>Good line on the politics issue.<BR/><BR/>Do you know why many conservatives in Arkansas don't like Huckabee? I have heard complaints about his education and immigration policies. <BR/><BR/>LouisAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-16663594963396049142008-10-21T22:27:00.000-05:002008-10-21T22:27:00.000-05:00Louis,I grew up in Arkansas, and I still have a lo...Louis,<BR/><BR/>I grew up in Arkansas, and I still have a lot of relationships there. Huckabee must not have been TOO unpopular there—he had a knack for winning successive elections there.<BR/><BR/>I can resonate with Luther's comment, and I choose a political candidate based upon his political views, and not as a part of "identity politics." To go down your list:<BR/><BR/>1. Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-58566496173705153792008-10-21T14:35:00.000-05:002008-10-21T14:35:00.000-05:00All of you guys are going to hate my opinion, but ...All of you guys are going to hate my opinion, but here goes.<BR/><BR/>I did not support Huckabee and believe that his entry into the race hopelessly split the conservative vote to almost insure that a moderate with a block vote (McCain - the old people and the veterans) would win.<BR/><BR/>Too many evangelicals are unsophisticated and reflexively vote for someone who looks and sounds like they doAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-9008668596704795182008-10-20T22:16:00.000-05:002008-10-20T22:16:00.000-05:00So have you drafted a post yet for Nov 5 explainin...So have you drafted a post yet for Nov 5 explaining how McCain pulled it off, if he manages it?<BR/><BR/>I'm no prophet or anything, but I wouldn't want you to be unprepared. ;)cameron coylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02520766030266689614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-211194580815551542008-10-20T19:40:00.000-05:002008-10-20T19:40:00.000-05:00McCain's problem is that he's a Republican. I know...McCain's problem is that he's a Republican. I know alot of folks don't want to hear it or believe it, but George W. Bush is by some measures the most unpopular president in the history of this country. Any Republican candidate is facing a steep uphill battle in this election. McCain felt he had to move toward Bush to win the nomination, and now he's scrambling to move away from Bush to have a Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04864810365424064220noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-6819315968270928932008-10-20T16:27:00.000-05:002008-10-20T16:27:00.000-05:00Alan,:-)I think I concur entirely about our candid...Alan,<BR/><BR/>:-)<BR/><BR/>I think I concur entirely about our candidates.<BR/><BR/>I also think that a lot of SBC folks would say precisely what you've alleged about Mike Huckabee. I think those factors would cause them not to support him as a candidate for president of the SBC. But I think it had absolutely nothing to do with any reluctance to endorse him as a candidate for POTUS.Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-62096232628138029132008-10-20T16:19:00.000-05:002008-10-20T16:19:00.000-05:00Bart,SBC power brokers have long put their convict...Bart,<BR/><BR/>SBC power brokers have long put their convictions over theological issues on the sideline when it comes to politics. More than one was lining up to support Mitt Romney, if I remember correctly. The issue with Huckabee was that many in conservative SBC circles did not like him because he "did not have enough blood on his hands" in the baptist battles in Arkansas back in the 1980's. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-58233566544759502302008-10-20T15:57:00.000-05:002008-10-20T15:57:00.000-05:00BTW,My bumper-sticker says "Sarah!" with a much sm...BTW,<BR/><BR/>My bumper-sticker says "Sarah!" with a much smaller "McCain" on the bottom.Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-68485226077423405562008-10-20T15:56:00.000-05:002008-10-20T15:56:00.000-05:00Dwight,I phrased it in the harshest of terms to ma...Dwight,<BR/><BR/>I phrased it in the harshest of terms to make the point. Alan had suggested that reluctance to support Huckabee might have arisen out of SBC politics. Yet these same people are enthusiastic supporters of Palin, who would ALSO run afoul of the SBC-related convictions of those Alan seems to regard as "Religious Right" power-brokers within the SBC.<BR/><BR/>If internal SBC tensions Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-11361570472019779382008-10-20T15:51:00.000-05:002008-10-20T15:51:00.000-05:00Hello Bart,It was good talking to you by phone a m...Hello Bart,<BR/><BR/>It was good talking to you by phone a month or so ago, Great Post! I too supported Huckabee in the primary. I also vote values not economics. If Huckabee runs in 2012, I will probably support him then as well. <BR/>Question: Why did you find it necessary in your response to Alan to label Sarah Palin a “gibberish babbler”? I’m aware that Palin was a member of a charismatic Dwighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12083010733573629841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-54054146549657403582008-10-20T15:22:00.000-05:002008-10-20T15:22:00.000-05:00Bart,I'm counting on him learning the lessons of B...Bart,<BR/><BR/>I'm counting on him learning the lessons of Bill Clinton and George Bush. Sure, I'm an idealist!<BR/><BR/>The lesson? Just because you have the numbers to attempt to force your agenda through does not necessarily mean that you should.<BR/><BR/>It happened in 1992-1994 and universal health care (among other things) was stalled for over a decade because Congress switched hands.<BR/><Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-59837561624636531912008-10-20T15:05:00.000-05:002008-10-20T15:05:00.000-05:00Mike,When I read your first sentence about being "...Mike,<BR/><BR/>When I read your first sentence about being "hopeful," I thought for a moment that you were going to suggest the possibility of an Obama defeat on Nov 4. But I see that you're too wise for that.<BR/><BR/>Of course, we'll both soon see what Obama does. When your party controls the White House and both houses on the Hill, you pretty much have all of the political capital that you Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-83889471248343947912008-10-20T14:55:00.000-05:002008-10-20T14:55:00.000-05:00Bart,I'm a bit more hopeful than you appear to be....Bart,<BR/><BR/>I'm a bit more hopeful than you appear to be. Senator Obama appears to be a deft politician. Even if he gets over 300 electoral votes, I think he will know he's on 'probation'. I also think he'll have the wisdom of not letting Reid and Pelosi push him around. Remember, their ratings are even lower than President Bush's.<BR/><BR/>But for argument sake, let's say that he believes hisAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-52296389161363899112008-10-19T08:21:00.000-05:002008-10-19T08:21:00.000-05:00Alan,And I suppose I should mention this about the...Alan,<BR/><BR/>And I suppose I should mention this about the theory/rumor that you've heard: I really don't think that James Dobson, Pat Robertson, or Tony Perkins would allow internecine SBC politics to sway them in such a monumental choice as the endorsement (or lack thereof) of a presidential candidate. These folks pushed Sarah Palin (gibberish babbler), for Pete's sake! As I do, I think theseBart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-39075085771491103862008-10-19T08:14:00.000-05:002008-10-19T08:14:00.000-05:00Mornin', Alan.Let's face it: Huckabee is a differe...Mornin', Alan.<BR/><BR/>Let's face it: Huckabee is a different kind of Republican. If you're a staunch smaller-government, fiscal-restraint, supply-sider Republican, then Huck might not be the strongest guy for your tastes.<BR/><BR/>Also, although Mike Huckabee was successful as Arkansas's governor, he was much less successful as the leader of the Arkansas GOP, in my estimation. I think that someBart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-90274034676963010002008-10-19T01:06:00.000-05:002008-10-19T01:06:00.000-05:00Hey, Bart. Long time no comment. I like Huckabee a...Hey, Bart. Long time no comment. I like Huckabee as well and am frustrated that he did not win the nomination.<BR/><BR/>Here's a question that I would love to see an answer to: Why did Huckabee not receive support from the leaders of the "Religious Right?" Why did Richard Land, James Dobson, Pat Robertson, Tony Perkins, etc. not support Huckabee? If they had come out behind him early, or at leastAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com