tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post1849947724029046251..comments2023-10-19T10:34:33.030-05:00Comments on Praisegod Barebones: The One-Woman Man in the New TestamentBart Barberhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comBlogger107125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-31450533451600672052010-04-23T22:31:31.853-05:002010-04-23T22:31:31.853-05:00As Christians, I believe it is our duty to join to...As Christians, I believe it is our duty to join together and stand for the true meaning of marriage, and with heartfelt prayer, become enlightened by understanding dilemmas some may face because of the tendancy to err.<br /><br />Just as we harmonize Scripture through study and meditation, we must also strive to harmonize issues of life through practical reasoning and logic. It was Jesus who Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-70078719023091074782010-04-21T02:51:31.552-05:002010-04-21T02:51:31.552-05:00I appreciate your desire to follow God’s word no m...I appreciate your desire to follow God’s word no matter how challenging it might be to do so, yet it seems odd to me that God would have to borrow an idea from a pagan practice all of a sudden. <br /><br />It was striking for me to read this entry and to follow it by reading your deserving tribute to BO Baker. Not everyone might know that BO’s first wife died and he remarried and (horrors!) Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-19692435567457316322010-04-20T08:13:55.830-05:002010-04-20T08:13:55.830-05:00I would like to diverge briefly into something whi...I would like to diverge briefly into something which may be of interest to all middle aged readers of the postings.<br /><br />In a nutshell, it would be this. There is something terribly wrong with a scenario to where a man who has worked hard his whole life, never caused trouble, and believes in all of the things which made America great, will be spurned time and time again by ladies of any Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-19757800694886791292010-04-18T07:09:18.376-05:002010-04-18T07:09:18.376-05:00We must also take into consideration the aspect of...We must also take into consideration the aspect of two individuals in the flesh when an injustice has been committed. When a man and or woman will spurn the sincerity of the fellowship of another in regards to giving and or affection, a grave injustice has been committed. Friends and neighbors, think of a time when a grave injustice has taken place with you. There is no such thing as a "Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-46536207427273071802010-04-17T10:25:48.410-05:002010-04-17T10:25:48.410-05:00Anon, I hear what you are saying. I suppose that ...Anon, I hear what you are saying. I suppose that both Bart and myself could agree that regardless of what one-woman-man means with respect to remarriage it most certainly means a level of dedication to our wives that too many today fall far short of.Striderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07347436154893544535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-63503129812476387942010-04-16T22:26:52.598-05:002010-04-16T22:26:52.598-05:00Sadly, I see the question I posed a couple of days...Sadly, I see the question I posed a couple of days ago has remained unanswered about the formula for marriage of today versus days gone by. I realize it may be a tough question, but a fair one. But can you not see it in this vein. All of this everyone has been talking about is null, if you cannot address the foundational principal, which I have brought up. Maybe it is because deep down you know Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-38877729384658637832010-04-16T20:47:14.499-05:002010-04-16T20:47:14.499-05:00Drat, Volfan stole the 100th comment. I had guest...Drat, Volfan stole the 100th comment. I had guests last night and did not respond in time. <br /><br />Bart, I am not getting past the idea that if we instituted this idea of requiring men to not remarry in order to remain qualified for leadership then that would really smack of legalism. It surely made sense to the Pharisees of Jesus day that if work on the Sabbath was wrong then that beggar Striderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07347436154893544535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-44832721180801086812010-04-16T12:50:21.194-05:002010-04-16T12:50:21.194-05:00I'm 100! I win the prize! What is the prize ...I'm 100! I win the prize! What is the prize today, Bart?<br /><br />Davidvolfan007https://www.blogger.com/profile/15635929001030697924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-1390948628020847852010-04-16T09:45:15.621-05:002010-04-16T09:45:15.621-05:00Two things, Strider:
1. We're getting pretty ...Two things, Strider:<br /><br />1. We're getting pretty close to one of us being the 100th comment on this thread. Who will it be? Isn't it exciting!? :-)<br /><br />2. Your last question is a perfectly valid one—I might go so far as to say that it is THE perfectly valid question at this point.<br /><br />I believe that we ought to go with direct application of New Testament didactic Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-45352162511927906762010-04-15T23:23:36.461-05:002010-04-15T23:23:36.461-05:00Good words Bart, now it seems if we accept the con...Good words Bart, now it seems if we accept the conclusions about your premise we need to address application. Do we go with a literal translation of first century culture or dynamic equivalent? If the latter then what would that look like? If the former can we bear these consequences, or better how would the Lord be glorified by our actions?Striderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07347436154893544535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-83803404843550397572010-04-15T21:40:55.857-05:002010-04-15T21:40:55.857-05:00L's,
Thanks for the links. My profound (obvio...L's,<br /><br />Thanks for the links. My profound (obvious) disagreements with both the Eastern and the Western traditions notwithstanding, I have learned much from the histories of these two groups.Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-10734594544620836962010-04-15T17:49:44.936-05:002010-04-15T17:49:44.936-05:00Hey! I make a mean tuna casserole!
Word verfifica...Hey! I make a mean tuna casserole!<br /><br />Word verfification: gomen. Push 'em back, push 'em back, way back. Go Men!Tom Kelleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07843658496931624572noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-64919535201154024382010-04-15T12:58:21.233-05:002010-04-15T12:58:21.233-05:00Bart,
if you want to do a little one-stop shoppin...Bart,<br /><br />if you want to do a little one-stop shopping to look into the Eastern Catholic (under Rome) Rites: <br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Catholic_Churches#Orientalium_Ecclesiarum<br /><br />What you get is a very brief over-view of 'eastern rite' autonomous rites of the Catholic Church. They have different 'canonical disciplines' which may contain Christianehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15969310497166526545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-46339435585481356142010-04-15T10:28:13.891-05:002010-04-15T10:28:13.891-05:00Bart,
You wrote: "And so, we face the stron...Bart,<br /><br />You wrote: "And so, we face the strong possibility that, although WE do not regularly link abstinence from (second) marriage with character, the New Testament actually does. And if so, how will we respond?"<br /><br />Well, 'abstinence' and celibacy was held up as the perfect model, but owing to human nature, the New Testament honored marriage as a way to keep Christianehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15969310497166526545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-77489077649425119592010-04-15T09:55:50.844-05:002010-04-15T09:55:50.844-05:00Strider,
Brother, I would encourage you to perfor...Strider,<br /><br />Brother, I would encourage you to perform a bit more research on the whole <i>univira</i> thing. Because my answer to you would be that the culture whence sprung the New Testament actually DID consider the whole "one-man woman" thing to have a great deal to do with character. Something can have to do with character without necessarily involving sin.<br /><br />Here&#Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-54383407766019543282010-04-15T00:25:54.569-05:002010-04-15T00:25:54.569-05:00Well, at least you have not resorted to calling me...Well, at least you have not resorted to calling me 'Antinomian' yet. You did? Drat. OK, let's back up. Sometimes we can get going in our rhetoric and parse things in each others phrases that we know full well we don't mean. I think I have probably done that to you and I give you credit for your last comment pointing out that you hope I am not saying what I appear to be sayingStriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07347436154893544535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-73944013670035687052010-04-14T21:48:09.271-05:002010-04-14T21:48:09.271-05:00Hi BART,
I just spent a fascinating half-hour rea...Hi BART,<br /><br />I just spent a fascinating half-hour reading the site you gave me on the Romans. I remember reading long ago about Augustus Caesar (Octavian) being lauded by the poet Virgil in glowing Latin hexameters for his 'moral and ethical' uprightness and leadership . . . ad nauseum. <br /><br />Thank you for sharing that site.<br />Wonderfully entertaining for me.<br /><br /Christianehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15969310497166526545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-14444294988231322732010-04-14T21:05:36.069-05:002010-04-14T21:05:36.069-05:00L's,
Interesting, like the mushroom cloud of ...L's,<br /><br />Interesting, like the mushroom cloud of a nuclear explosion is interesting. It's really hard to take one's eyes off of it. ;-)<br /><br />That page is full of bad Greek. The most egregious example is the transformation of the word for "one" into an indefinite article. Just because other language did the same thing centuries later, maybe Paul was doing with Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-29663740662962532382010-04-14T19:44:36.669-05:002010-04-14T19:44:36.669-05:00Bart, you might find this site interesting:
http...Bart, you might find this site interesting: <br /><br />http://home.sprynet.com/~jbwwhite/HEIS_MIA.html<br /><br />I am not 'recommending' it for veracity, or necessarily 'in agreement' with it;<br />but it does contain a lot of interesting content. Enjoy.Christianehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15969310497166526545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-3942527330204221392010-04-14T13:37:10.949-05:002010-04-14T13:37:10.949-05:00Strider,
That's an absolute non-sequitur, I h...Strider,<br /><br />That's an absolute non-sequitur, I hope. I say, "I hope," because although we can probably both agree that the Old Testament does not teach us the gospel, I hope that you aren't saying that the Old Testament teaches us nothing about the nature of God. If so, why do you bother to carry the thing around? Your Bible would be so much lighter if you would just go Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-50424170658305766822010-04-14T12:32:20.837-05:002010-04-14T12:32:20.837-05:00If you really do believe that our hermanutic must ...If you really do believe that our hermanutic must incorporate the Old Covenant and that Christ has not sufficiently dealt with it on the cross then I am afraid that all you will prove is what the law was created to prove: namely that none of us will ever measure up. <br /><br />There ought to be a law against a sentence that long!Striderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07347436154893544535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-2133075820330258252010-04-14T11:17:40.594-05:002010-04-14T11:17:40.594-05:00Well, Matt, KWS has been honing that particular sk...Well, Matt, KWS has been honing that particular skill since 5th grade!Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-58766292297264198902010-04-14T10:56:34.819-05:002010-04-14T10:56:34.819-05:00KWS,
I'm sorry that I came across as lecturin...KWS,<br /><br />I'm sorry that I came across as lecturing, but I am glad that you agree.<br /><br />By the way, you made me laugh when I read that you were trying to ruffle Bart. You have your work cut out for you there. We would all do well to have a double portion of his spirit in discussing issues. As for myself, I'd be thrilled just to have a half portion of it.Matt Bradyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10035601113330072618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-79421982076969723252010-04-14T10:28:24.932-05:002010-04-14T10:28:24.932-05:00Keith,
You are instigating good conversation. Tha...Keith,<br /><br />You are instigating good conversation. That's the purpose of this blog. Thanks for doing that, and for your friendship.Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-29770138804336632682010-04-14T09:59:20.154-05:002010-04-14T09:59:20.154-05:00Bart,
I think you know me well enough to know tha...Bart,<br /><br />I think you know me well enough to know that I am having a little fun "stirring the pot." I'm trying to make that vein on you head stand out. My arguments are the ones you are sure to hear from those within and without the church. Matt, I must admit as a flaming Calvinist, I did get a big kick out of being lectured about the sovereignty of God in his purposes in kwsnoreply@blogger.com