tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post4704349005480539161..comments2023-10-19T10:34:33.030-05:00Comments on Praisegod Barebones: Congratulations DTSBart Barberhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-79653181120295601042007-05-13T21:21:00.000-05:002007-05-13T21:21:00.000-05:00David,Baylor has long had a Mormon Spanish profess...David,<BR/><BR/>Baylor has long had a Mormon Spanish professor. I don't think a Roman Catholic will make much of a dent.Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-37246315336801084652007-05-13T08:22:00.000-05:002007-05-13T08:22:00.000-05:00bart,i guess what i was asking...and didnt do a go...bart,<BR/><BR/>i guess what i was asking...and didnt do a good job of it...was why some supposed, conservative, evangelical, southern baptist bloggers would look upon the beckwith thing as seemingly ok? like it was alright for him to be roman catholic? how could they look at it in this light?<BR/><BR/>and, do you think he will stay at your alma mater? and, if so, how could they allow it?<BR/><Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-65657118599955048062007-05-13T06:49:00.000-05:002007-05-13T06:49:00.000-05:00Stuart,I would not presume that it is necessary, b...Stuart,<BR/><BR/>I would not presume that it is necessary, but I would presume that it is best for a local church to continue in existence. If a local church goes out of existence, it is likely because the community went out of existence or the church apostasized and lost its "churchliness". The former is sometimes unavoidable and neither good nor bad. The latter is bad and ought to be avoided.Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-31082861311768134952007-05-12T20:40:00.000-05:002007-05-12T20:40:00.000-05:00The way I worded that, the obvious answer is "duh"...The way I worded that, the obvious answer is "duh". I'll re-ask it later, when I can think of a better way to frame it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-40866517378770930852007-05-12T20:35:00.000-05:002007-05-12T20:35:00.000-05:00Bart--Since you bring up the number of students tr...Bart--<BR/><BR/>Since you bring up the number of students training to plant churches rather than to pastor existing ones, I'd like your input on a debate I've been having with myself in my head for several months now.<BR/><BR/>Should we (SBC, "evangelicals", whoever...) operate from a position wherein we believe that each local church should exist in perpetuity?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-661875527864887472007-05-12T16:42:00.000-05:002007-05-12T16:42:00.000-05:00A funny thing happened on the way to Ben Cole's bl...A funny thing happened on the way to Ben Cole's blog...<BR/><BR/>I left a comment pointing out to the self-appointed pointer-outer of all the <I>ills</I> of SWBTS that the numbers for DTS were "this year" and SWBTS were "spring". That simple comment apparently was not approved by the moderator (at least after well over 12 hours it hasn't shown up).R. L. Vaughnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10992710377193518029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-38004101948668258162007-05-12T16:37:00.000-05:002007-05-12T16:37:00.000-05:00Stuart,Administration sentiment notwithstanding, m...Stuart,<BR/><BR/>Administration sentiment notwithstanding, my personal passion is for Southern Baptist churches to be well supplied with pastoral leaderhip. The seminary could have 10,000 students; however, if 9,000 of them are destined for foreign lands or unwilling to pastor existing churches, then the churches are in trouble first, and then the seminary (which is dependent, let's not forget, Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-37611369309401901792007-05-12T15:45:00.000-05:002007-05-12T15:45:00.000-05:00I should add that it would also be premature. I d...I should add that it would also be premature. I doubt many on the Hill are satisfied, and I would suspect they will continue to strive towards their ambitious goals in spite of the current trend. One should hope for nothing less.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-6440008863436151142007-05-12T15:43:00.000-05:002007-05-12T15:43:00.000-05:00Robin's point about Gideon could have been a good ...Robin's point about Gideon could have been a good one. Of course, one of the knocks against the former president was declining enrollment. One of selling points in bringing in the current president was the growth in enrollment at his former institution. One of the mantras we heard early in the administration was "5000 students".<BR/><BR/>It would be more that a bit disingenuous for the Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-22791114663670080662007-05-12T15:01:00.000-05:002007-05-12T15:01:00.000-05:00Anonymous,I'm thankful for Ben's effort toward gre...Anonymous,<BR/><BR/>I'm thankful for Ben's effort toward greater precision in his post. It was never my supposition that I would soften his heart.Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-38105230302917990512007-05-12T15:00:00.002-05:002007-05-12T15:00:00.002-05:00Guy,You are right on the money.Guy,<BR/><BR/>You are right on the money.Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-54110650427342823682007-05-12T15:00:00.001-05:002007-05-12T15:00:00.001-05:00Robin,Glad to help.Robin,<BR/><BR/>Glad to help.Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-62189476324490926792007-05-12T15:00:00.000-05:002007-05-12T15:00:00.000-05:00Geoff,Brother, I think that every pastoral calling...Geoff,<BR/><BR/>Brother, I think that every pastoral calling is a special and specific calling, whether to plant a church or to pastor an existing church. Personally, I think that we (pastors) tend to gripe too much, leaving a discouraging impression in the minds of others about what we do. Also, I do not believe that creativity is going to do much to propel Christianity forward. In my opinion (Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-51883126290884466512007-05-12T14:55:00.000-05:002007-05-12T14:55:00.000-05:00Steve,SWBTS is a denominational seminary, yet that...Steve,<BR/><BR/>SWBTS is a denominational seminary, yet that was the forum at which I described the straw poll.Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-46389873671763341032007-05-12T14:54:00.001-05:002007-05-12T14:54:00.001-05:00David,I did already blog about that.David,<BR/><BR/>I did already blog about that.Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-84875469337391458152007-05-12T14:54:00.000-05:002007-05-12T14:54:00.000-05:00SelahV,Geoff's comment would probably yield some i...SelahV,<BR/><BR/>Geoff's comment would probably yield some insight to you.Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-53599723855567041422007-05-12T14:53:00.000-05:002007-05-12T14:53:00.000-05:00Jeremy,Thanks, as usual.Jeremy,<BR/><BR/>Thanks, as usual.Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-34509926252829590112007-05-12T09:55:00.000-05:002007-05-12T09:55:00.000-05:00allow me to suggest that we all need to beseech th...<I>allow me to suggest that we all need to beseech the throne of heaven to raise up more...</I><BR/><BR/>While you are free to "suggest", Christ himself COMMANDS that we beseech the Lord of the Harvest for laborers. Our job is to beseech, his to call out. <BR/><BR/>Where these people get trained is also a matter for the Father. May we rejoice not at which seminary graduates the most, but that J. Guy Musehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17751691713410311094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-54485143520019695492007-05-12T09:43:00.000-05:002007-05-12T09:43:00.000-05:00Thanks Bart for the clarification. I often wonder...Thanks Bart for the clarification. I often wonder why people think that because numbers might be less that God can't be behind it. Some of these people would have called for Gideon's head for dismissing most of his army and ending up with only 300 men.Robin Fosterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01939225831411942124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-72569648316905740262007-05-12T09:07:00.000-05:002007-05-12T09:07:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-19579895391736440182007-05-12T09:02:00.000-05:002007-05-12T09:02:00.000-05:00Bart,After many years in youth ministry, I conside...Bart,<BR/>After many years in youth ministry, I considered the pastorate. I had conversations with about a dozen churches over a period of a couple of years. I found that I could not answer a call to an established church. The reason? None of the churches that I talked to wanted a pastor. They simply wanted a chaplain ... someone to preach to them a couple of times a week and visit them whenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-44053383613752682342007-05-12T06:56:00.000-05:002007-05-12T06:56:00.000-05:00Great article. But Ben has now modified his origin...Great article. But Ben has now modified his original article. HmmmmmAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-17935382816335562572007-05-12T01:37:00.000-05:002007-05-12T01:37:00.000-05:00I guess one factor not readily understood is that ...I guess one factor not readily understood is that the vast majority of those going through a denominational college go into pastoring churches, whilst a non denom college prepares people for a variety of work, but not specifically pastoral ministry.<BR/>Postmoderns don't find the self denying sacrificial pastoral ministry attractive.<BR/>SelahV.. church planting is a lot easier than turning Groseys messageshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09256060632754175527noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-46308936311994754242007-05-11T23:23:00.000-05:002007-05-11T23:23:00.000-05:00bart,i do wish that you would comment on the beckw...bart,<BR/><BR/>i do wish that you would comment on the beckwith situation and on some bloggers seemingly acceptance of what he did as ok. also, why is he still teaching at baylor?<BR/><BR/>david.....volfan007volfan007https://www.blogger.com/profile/15635929001030697924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-72267740207766374822007-05-11T23:00:00.000-05:002007-05-11T23:00:00.000-05:00Bart: "the fields are white," we must therefore pr...Bart: "the fields are white," we must therefore pray for laborers and also shepherds.<BR/><BR/>What is the main attraction of the church planting versus pastoring an established church? selahVAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com