tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post4882754874336909243..comments2023-10-19T10:34:33.030-05:00Comments on Praisegod Barebones: But Some of the CP Money Is Ours!Bart Barberhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comBlogger71125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-40554479343643272992007-05-03T21:00:00.000-05:002007-05-03T21:00:00.000-05:00Classy move, Bart. That is why I have come to real...Classy move, Bart. That is why I have come to really respect you in all of this. <BR/><BR/>Still too far on the Caligula thing though . . . :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-22226140053581520782007-05-03T20:10:00.000-05:002007-05-03T20:10:00.000-05:00I will look forward to your email Bart.I will look forward to your email Bart.Debbie Kaufmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17748664558802779885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-55921276589446419762007-05-03T18:42:00.000-05:002007-05-03T18:42:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Debbie Kaufmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17748664558802779885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-53870295949378959612007-05-03T16:28:00.000-05:002007-05-03T16:28:00.000-05:00Debbie:It did not venture as to what about the mee...Debbie:<BR/><BR/>It did not venture as to what about the meeting led me to my conclusions. Although I suspended politeness during the conference in the quest for unity, I do not desire to do so today on my blog. Whichever people gave me such an impression, they have not asked to be a part of my blog. Is it OK with you if I keep them out of this? I will be glad to swap emails about it privately.Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-34798369059776210552007-05-03T16:22:00.000-05:002007-05-03T16:22:00.000-05:00BTW: I still do not have a PPL and I was at the co...BTW: I still do not have a PPL and I was at the conference. I was educated however, I was no different in the conference than I am in my own church, but I understand even more now. Not a bad way to spend a couple of days. I feel stronger on this issue than I did before however.Debbie Kaufmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17748664558802779885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-58268097660779336812007-05-03T16:19:00.000-05:002007-05-03T16:19:00.000-05:00Bart: Are you referring to those who spoke or the ...Bart: Are you referring to those who spoke or the audience? I was under the impression that charismatics did attend some of the session. They paid their money and were not barred from attending. I am open to correction if this information is wrong.Debbie Kaufmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17748664558802779885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-33028982348585420132007-05-03T16:11:00.000-05:002007-05-03T16:11:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Debbie Kaufmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17748664558802779885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-25943755445454457852007-05-03T16:10:00.000-05:002007-05-03T16:10:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Debbie Kaufmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17748664558802779885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-58845467994448080802007-05-03T15:18:00.000-05:002007-05-03T15:18:00.000-05:00Bart,Let me clarify as well: I am not claiming the...Bart,<BR/><BR/>Let me clarify as well: I am not claiming there never has or never will be a problem with any IMB missionary whatsoever going "charismatic." I imagine there will always be isolated personnel who drift into unacceptable beliefs and practices of any number of different sorts. That doesn't mean we need to enact a new policy to counter-act each and every one of these "dangers" though.<David Rogershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11701934251748260267noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-91678830074200584862007-05-03T15:06:00.000-05:002007-05-03T15:06:00.000-05:00Right. Sorry. Since it was yesterday morning I did...Right. Sorry. Since it was yesterday morning I didn't understand what you were talking about. Thanks for the correction.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-9280800503845598682007-05-03T14:50:00.000-05:002007-05-03T14:50:00.000-05:00David,Let me try again: I have already stated publ...David,<BR/><BR/>Let me try again: I have already stated publicly that, in and of itself, I have no desire to delve into a person's private prayer. Yet a rather large, rather diverse board of trustees has enacted this policy. I am not privy to all of their reasons for doing so. I am unwilling to obligate Southern Baptists to support Charismatic missions. I am unable to evaluate for myself the Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-8889406255295585492007-05-03T14:46:00.000-05:002007-05-03T14:46:00.000-05:00Alan said: "[Those who support the new policies] f...Alan said: "[Those who support the new policies] feel that they have the right to set whatever doctrinal qualifications they desire whether they go beyond the BF&M2000 or not, without the blessing of the convention at large. The trustees feel that by nature of their election to office, they have ultimate power to make whatever decision they deem necessary as long as it does not contradict the BF&Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-71333982745172548902007-05-03T14:39:00.000-05:002007-05-03T14:39:00.000-05:00Bart,I was not at the conference, and I can only s...Bart,<BR/><BR/>I was not at the conference, and I can only speak for myself.<BR/><BR/>My question, then, is where does that leave me, if:<BR/><BR/>1. I believe in the biblical legitimacy of "PPL"<BR/><BR/>2. I am opposed to public tongues-speaking without accompanying interpretation.<BR/><BR/>3. I am prepared to live with a general prohibition of public tongues-speaking among IMB personnel in theDavid Rogershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11701934251748260267noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-63840839492113342952007-05-03T14:38:00.000-05:002007-05-03T14:38:00.000-05:00Bart,I assume that you are replying to your Caligu...Bart,<BR/><BR/>I assume that you are replying to your Caligula post on this one accidently. Even so, I don't understand your response, since I wasn't really talking about trustees but reminding you that it was the SBC that put Drake in office, not Ben or Wade.<BR/><BR/>As far as those at the conference are concerned. I did not agree with everyone there on everything either. But, I suppose if someAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-66547958282347571082007-05-03T14:27:00.000-05:002007-05-03T14:27:00.000-05:00I think I'm done here. I see more responses that I...I think I'm done here. I see more responses that I owe on the previous post. Again, if you need something from me over here, please reiterate and address it directly to me. Thanks.Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-1711398580973212792007-05-03T14:25:00.000-05:002007-05-03T14:25:00.000-05:00To all:I'm not sure to what degree I should wade i...To all:<BR/><BR/>I'm not sure to what degree I should wade into the back-and-forths that have transpired here. I'll comment where I believe my statements would be relevant. If I miss a statement to which you wanted me to respond, please feel free to reiterate.Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-75478678515377187702007-05-03T14:24:00.000-05:002007-05-03T14:24:00.000-05:00Bob,It was my pleasure to meet you. You and your w...Bob,<BR/><BR/>It was my pleasure to meet you. You and your wife are both very gracious people. I regret that our conversation was cut short.Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-75635388960030386502007-05-03T14:18:00.000-05:002007-05-03T14:18:00.000-05:00David,Wade seems more than willing to allege that ...David,<BR/><BR/>Wade seems more than willing to allege that those not on board with his movement would soon have us all be Wiley Drakes drawing down on abortion doctors with a 30.06.<BR/><BR/>What's good for the goose...<BR/><BR/>Except, as the conference only confirmed for me, the idea that people want a lot more than PPL is not speculation, it is observation.Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-35148184438469780022007-05-03T14:16:00.000-05:002007-05-03T14:16:00.000-05:00Alan,If the trustees had ultimate authority, there...Alan,<BR/><BR/>If the trustees had ultimate authority, there would not be such a movement of political activity gearing up for San Antonio. I think we all know full well that the outcome will be decided by the messengers.Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-84902131995829804102007-05-03T14:14:00.000-05:002007-05-03T14:14:00.000-05:00Todd,Thank you for acknowledging that it is an ana...Todd,<BR/><BR/>Thank you for acknowledging that it is an analogy.<BR/><BR/>If you've never had somebody get huffy and leave over things this trivial, then you have been blessed, my brother!<BR/><BR/>You do make an excellent point that this is a highly-emotionally-charged issue. I am not in favor of Baptist churches funding Charismatic missions. I am proud for Charismatic missions to take place. IBart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-80175859141989959192007-05-03T14:00:00.000-05:002007-05-03T14:00:00.000-05:00David,I have stated on this blog and now publicly ...David,<BR/><BR/>I have stated on this blog and now publicly at the recent conference that, in and of itself, I am prepared not to care about what someone does in private. I stand by that position.<BR/><BR/>However, the experience at the conference only confirmed to me that (1) the number of people given to private prayer language but opposed to public tongues-speaking is a small number. The Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-37358380294526473322007-05-03T13:44:00.000-05:002007-05-03T13:44:00.000-05:00Colin,I have asked the trustees, repeatedly. I wa...Colin,<BR/><BR/>I have asked the trustees, repeatedly. I was promised an official response. The only thing I have seen is Tom Hatley's unofficial response from over a year ago. I have evaluated it and found it weak and wanting. Apparently all of the IMB trustees are also seminary students who don't have the time to put out anything official (that, my friend, is my own little sarcasm and humorAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-18464002283347220212007-05-03T13:38:00.000-05:002007-05-03T13:38:00.000-05:00Guest host? I feel like Tony Snow.Guest host? I feel like Tony Snow.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04852203994400117805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-63348852522090567542007-05-03T13:33:00.000-05:002007-05-03T13:33:00.000-05:00I feel like Johnny Carson: Tonight's guest host is...I feel like Johnny Carson: Tonight's guest host is...Colin.<BR/><BR/>:-)<BR/><BR/>Right now I bevin tyring to reply myself.Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-72808377075368435492007-05-03T13:32:00.000-05:002007-05-03T13:32:00.000-05:00Paul,I do not believe the Bible addresses PPL. Bu...Paul,<BR/><BR/>I do not believe the Bible addresses PPL. But I am in the process of building a theological foundation, and will get to it (meaning more than 2-3 days of study) in due course. If I was not listening, I would not be saying, "I don't know." So I am listening, and have been listening, and am evaluating all the arguments.<BR/><BR/>David's question: <I>why the issue of PPL is so Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04852203994400117805noreply@blogger.com