tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post4936505399380477606..comments2023-10-19T10:34:33.030-05:00Comments on Praisegod Barebones: Of Muslims and Mohler's TriageBart Barberhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-80408503141573561362007-08-24T01:50:00.000-05:002007-08-24T01:50:00.000-05:00This has taken me a while to work through so this ...This has taken me a while to work through so this comment is quite late and no one will likely read it. But for what it is worth here is my opinion on this issue. <BR/>Bart, you asked me what I did to address this issue in my ministry. When I thought about it I realized that the answer is something other than many of you will understand. But it is at the heart of the Gospel that I preach. Striderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07347436154893544535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-3479874441546115742007-08-23T10:46:00.000-05:002007-08-23T10:46:00.000-05:00Wade,Thanks for letting me know that the trustees ...Wade,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for letting me know that the trustees are looking into this. I'm glad that you all are taking it seriously.Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-90696212715462304932007-08-22T22:52:00.000-05:002007-08-22T22:52:00.000-05:00Bart,I would be in agreement with the majority of ...Bart,<BR/><BR/>I would be in agreement with the majority of your conclusions in this series of posts.<BR/><BR/>I have received the Camel Book in the mail and have read it completely. I appreciate the authors' attempt to change methodology in reaching the Muslims, but I am in complete agreement that the message of the gospel is crystallized and should never be changed.<BR/><BR/>To whatever extent wadeburleson.orghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09712009938843809657noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-44550127951971030602007-08-22T22:46:00.000-05:002007-08-22T22:46:00.000-05:00Bart,Thank you for your prayers. I have posted som...Bart,<BR/><BR/>Thank you for your prayers. I have posted something about court on my blog.<BR/><BR/>cbCB Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02230652312241919771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-10887749683873086822007-08-22T22:40:00.000-05:002007-08-22T22:40:00.000-05:00I too appreciate the discernment of the 10-40 wind...I too appreciate the discernment of the 10-40 window missionary. <BR/>Blessings,<BR/>JoeFBChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16827391508042827125noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-25735872628646014842007-08-22T22:30:00.000-05:002007-08-22T22:30:00.000-05:00You have gone over how not to witness in this cont...You have gone over how not to witness in this context. How should it be done?<BR/><BR/>Bennett WillisBennett Willishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01200940136846753450noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-80684491220059730362007-08-22T20:53:00.000-05:002007-08-22T20:53:00.000-05:00CB,Thanks for the encouraging words. I did not mea...CB,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the encouraging words. I did not mean to pass you by...I was just caught up in the dialogue with our overseas brethren. I'll check your blog to see if there is any update on the court situation.Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-2820706778662846002007-08-22T20:51:00.000-05:002007-08-22T20:51:00.000-05:00Dear 10-40,Your last comment is the most encouragi...Dear 10-40,<BR/><BR/>Your last comment is the most encouraging thing that I have read in this entire series.Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-14955505420418068312007-08-22T19:46:00.000-05:002007-08-22T19:46:00.000-05:00Dear Bart,What I see happening in many areas are t...Dear Bart,<BR/><BR/>What I see happening in many areas are the newer missionaries trying to use The Camel Method. Their rationale is ..."You older missionaries have accomplished little or nothing, so let us try something new."<BR/><BR/>Personally, I never use the Qur'an. I can answer their questions and objections by using my Bible only. I, too, think that if one deceptively uses passages from Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-22314944151339812102007-08-22T16:33:00.000-05:002007-08-22T16:33:00.000-05:00Dear 10-40,Take all the time and space you wish. T...Dear 10-40,<BR/><BR/>Take all the time and space you wish. This is a good conversation.<BR/><BR/>I find that I disagree with virtually nothing that you are saying. Nevertheless, with regard to <I>The Camel</I> I still see problems.<BR/><BR/>First, you have mentioned the need to be able to discuss the Muslim theory that Christians have "corrupted" our scriptures. I acknowledge this as a serious Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-89919482016121623822007-08-22T15:39:00.000-05:002007-08-22T15:39:00.000-05:00Dear Bart, et. al.,Now that I have had a day to re...Dear Bart, et. al.,<BR/><BR/>Now that I have had a day to read all that has been written on this subject, I would totally agree that the gospel is a tier one issue. But, as one involved in Muslim evangelism for over 25 years (with about as much "success" as any in Muslim evangelism) I know that if I am to get past saying hello to a Muslim, I need to know the place a Muslim has for Mohammed and Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-24632896041965535532007-08-21T22:21:00.000-05:002007-08-21T22:21:00.000-05:00Dear Brother C.B.,You never know what you'll get w...Dear Brother C.B.,<BR/><BR/>You never know what you'll get when you read the Baptist Blogs. I thought I would learn something else about the camel method, but instead I learned how to use "crawfish" as a verb!<BR/><BR/>I'll pray for you, the kids, and the judge tomorrow!<BR/><BR/>Dear Anonymous Missionary,<BR/><BR/>I'm with Dr. BB in that I will never criticize or pressure any missy for lack of Jeff Richard Younghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03733241874625816333noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-85934803201713129182007-08-21T21:45:00.000-05:002007-08-21T21:45:00.000-05:00Bart,Since I have been accused of not being "Bapti...Bart,<BR/><BR/>Since I have been accused of not being "Baptist" enough (maybe even a heretic) by a prominent theology professor, I doubt if my agreement means very much, but for whatever it's worth, I agree wholeheartedly with this post. <BR/><BR/>The Gospel is always a tier-one issue. We must be in biblical agreement as to what gospel is being shared. It is a difficult balance in Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-82122248667167427772007-08-21T21:44:00.000-05:002007-08-21T21:44:00.000-05:00Bart, You said, "I am proud of you for faithfully ...Bart, <BR/><BR/>You said, "I am proud of you for faithfully continuing to present the gospel in difficult circumstances. That is the measure of your success." <BR/><BR/>I agree with your statement. I also believe this statement is very applicable to the small church as well. <BR/><BR/>LesWriterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07212653606124739664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-45310439956283087252007-08-21T19:13:00.000-05:002007-08-21T19:13:00.000-05:00Bart,I have been reading what you say relating to ...Bart,<BR/><BR/>I have been reading what you say relating to this matter with great interest. I was prayful that you would not crawfish. You have not.<BR/><BR/>Thank you. I will hunt this 'coon with you 'till he is "treed", "kilt", "skint" and nailed to the barn door.<BR/><BR/><BR/>cb<BR/><BR/>P.S. We go back to court tomorrow. I ask you and all of Blog Town to pray for us.CB Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02230652312241919771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-66289606211472828262007-08-21T18:53:00.000-05:002007-08-21T18:53:00.000-05:00Bro. Bart,Hope I haven't gotten your post off trac...Bro. Bart,<BR/><BR/>Hope I haven't gotten your post off track. Your post had many "talking points" that are crucial and beneficial for each of us to try to work through.<BR/><BR/>But, alas, I shall now have to go tip the horns on my kids new goats to avoid a sharp poke in the eye at the County Fair.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-49616067309303605542007-08-21T18:48:00.000-05:002007-08-21T18:48:00.000-05:00Bro. 10-40,Please forgive my ambiguity. I simply ...Bro. 10-40,<BR/><BR/>Please forgive my ambiguity. I simply meant that I absolutely believe that God has a special and specific calling for each person. I do not, therefore, find it appropriate to dismiss the critiques, suggestions, or support of those who do not share in your (or my) own calling - e.g. being a missionary in a muslim country.<BR/><BR/>Also, I think we sometimes get so immersed Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-6085387719549917992007-08-21T18:42:00.000-05:002007-08-21T18:42:00.000-05:00Dear 10-40,If I may jump in on your conversation w...Dear 10-40,<BR/><BR/>If I may jump in on your conversation with the Milkman, let me try to articulate better what I am trying to say and what I think he is trying to say.<BR/><BR/>Your point is precisely a valid one, <B>IF</B> you find me trying to advise you with regard to the peculiarities of dress, language, rites of passage, etc. of your target group, then I'm way out of my league.<BR/><BR/>Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-26023083321609266332007-08-21T18:29:00.000-05:002007-08-21T18:29:00.000-05:00Dear 10-40,You will never receive criticism from m...Dear 10-40,<BR/><BR/>You will never receive criticism from me for the number of converts in your area compared to the number of years spent serving there. Never. Such criticisms reflect what the Milkman is talking about. I am proud of you for faithfully continuing to present the gospel in difficult circumstances. That is the measure of your success.Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-4405689416077965392007-08-21T18:23:00.000-05:002007-08-21T18:23:00.000-05:00Milkman,To your first paragraph, I'm not understan...Milkman,<BR/><BR/>To your first paragraph, I'm not understanding what you are trying to say...but it is me, living where I do, speaking "special" English or the national language all day hampers my comprehension sometimes.<BR/><BR/>But, I would never consider anyone from Arkansas as "lowly." Home of Jerry Jones and Barry Switzer, not lowly. I welcome people who have "ministry x" to join me in theAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-61118531999908464342007-08-21T18:13:00.000-05:002007-08-21T18:13:00.000-05:00Bart,I did not think that my comment prevented int...Bart,<BR/><BR/>I did not think that my comment prevented intellectual discourse on any subject. But I probably wear my feelings on my sleeve, working in a country which has had over 100 years continuous missionary presence with less that 25 nationals as believers, I often take as criticism comments by people about Muslim evangelism. As this is probably what happened, forgive my defensiveness. ButAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-82528442483893014342007-08-21T16:18:00.000-05:002007-08-21T16:18:00.000-05:00Anonymous,Though you did not address me, might I e...Anonymous,<BR/><BR/>Though you did not address me, might I engage? Did God call you to be a missionary to 10-40 or was it just a choice you made? If the former, surely we can assume your invitation eastward is merely a rhetorical means to downplay the validity of the arguments found here or the commitment level of those questioning the method at hand.<BR/><BR/>As a lowly Arkansan, please help Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-38639151782000189432007-08-21T16:13:00.000-05:002007-08-21T16:13:00.000-05:00Dear 10-40,Can you point out the specific elements...Dear 10-40,<BR/><BR/>Can you point out the specific elements of this discussion at which one cannot converse intelligently without having served as a career missionary in an Islamic setting? Must one serve as a career missionary in an Islamic setting to understand the gospel? The doctrine of God? The nature of scripture? Whether a statement is true or false? Honest or dishonest?<BR/><BR/>Or is Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-75066862396162669852007-08-21T15:30:00.000-05:002007-08-21T15:30:00.000-05:00Bart,As a 10-40 Window Missionary who does not use...Bart,<BR/><BR/>As a 10-40 Window Missionary who does not use the Camel Method when trying to evangelize Muslims (because my service predates the Camel Method and I have developed other, but similar, strategies for Muslim evangelism), I am concerned about people living in Arkansas, Texas, Oklahoma, etc., with their own world view trying to assess methods of Muslim Evangelism in an Islamic setting.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-15650272735545313352007-08-21T14:08:00.000-05:002007-08-21T14:08:00.000-05:00BartThis is definitely a 1st tier issue in so many...Bart<BR/><BR/>This is definitely a 1st tier issue in so many ways: Authority of Scripture, Exclusivity of Christ, Sufficiency of Christ, Pragmatism Trumping Scripture, just to name a few.<BR/><BR/>Thanks for giving relevant posts on this and I pray our trustees will take a closer look at this method.<BR/><BR/>God BlessRobin Fosterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01939225831411942124noreply@blogger.com