tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post6041814711740874435..comments2023-10-19T10:34:33.030-05:00Comments on Praisegod Barebones: IncitatusBart Barberhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-28170817577375641922007-05-03T22:36:00.000-05:002007-05-03T22:36:00.000-05:00To All:First, I admit that I thought Bob Allen had...To All:<BR/><BR/>First, I admit that I thought Bob Allen had the goods on Wiley Drake. We'll soon find out whether that is the case, but Drake's adamant denial certainly casts doubt upon Allen's reporting. I apologize for leaping to conclusions.<BR/><BR/>Second, I'm glad that I didn't print the conclusions to which I leaped. I deliberately kept this post and the subsequent post limited to those Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-52728705590858254112007-05-03T22:22:00.000-05:002007-05-03T22:22:00.000-05:00According to the latest reports, I obviously shoul...According to the latest reports, I obviously should have said "If Wiley signed his name he should have been removed . . . " I, like everyone else, believed what I read. I apologize to Wiley Drake for assuming that what Wes, Wade, the ABP, and others said was correct. <BR/><BR/>You know, I didn't approve of Wiley Drake for 2nd VP because of the Disney thing, but I voted for him because I saw him Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-53633882674328749932007-05-03T22:10:00.000-05:002007-05-03T22:10:00.000-05:00David,Brother, personalities notwithstanding, Drak...David,<BR/><BR/>Brother, personalities notwithstanding, Drake was elected by frivolity, and we ought not to elect our leaders that way. God bless you, and I love you in the Lord, but to elect officers in that fashion dishonors the convention, IMHO.Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-25875665278884002872007-05-03T21:58:00.000-05:002007-05-03T21:58:00.000-05:00i know dr. bill dodson personally. in fact, i see ...i know dr. bill dodson personally. in fact, i see him nearly every week. he is very conservative in his theology. he would disagree with ben and wade on many, many issues that they bring up. <BR/><BR/>he is 82 years old, and pastors a church that runs over 200 on sundays. he is a soulwinner, and he has a brilliant mind. he's a good man who loves the Lord.<BR/><BR/>i cant say much about the Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-19770352403770754182007-05-03T19:32:00.000-05:002007-05-03T19:32:00.000-05:00Art,Apparently, I can't count. That's one fact.Art,<BR/><BR/>Apparently, I can't count. That's one fact.Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-7868242143360254892007-05-03T18:31:00.000-05:002007-05-03T18:31:00.000-05:00Art,Yes, facts are always helpful. Here are a coup...Art,<BR/><BR/>Yes, facts are always helpful. Here are a couple:<BR/><BR/>First, if you'll read the comments, you'll see that I have identified the targets of this post. Look at my response to JSH. Then please let me know if you believe that your comments are still appropriate. If you still do, then I will respond to them. But I do not want to further what may simply be a misunderstanding.Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-83662062986343538382007-05-03T16:18:00.000-05:002007-05-03T16:18:00.000-05:00I always find that facts help. Facts like that Wa...I always find that facts help. Facts like that Wade nor Ben picked Wiley as a tweak of the nose to the "Powers that be," but that Bill Dodson nominated him in 2005 (a year earlier) with a promise that he would continue to come back and nominate him until he was elected.<BR/><BR/>I posted more thoughts on this at Wes' blog.<BR/><BR/>Nevertheless, since you appear to buy into the theory that Wade Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-1142658891129747252007-05-03T14:44:00.000-05:002007-05-03T14:44:00.000-05:00And, you and I completely agree that we should do ...And, you and I completely agree that we should do better in San Antonio.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-61974881573212581112007-05-03T14:43:00.000-05:002007-05-03T14:43:00.000-05:00What I mean is that we have some type of controlli...What I mean is that we have some type of controlling authority like the BF&M that is an agreed upon statement of faith that should be hard to change. That way, the whims of the majority do not hold sway. Admittedly, I don't think that it would have affected this situation much, but my point is that just going with the whims of the majority on everything is not always the best move. Obviously. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-4415543288512238182007-05-03T14:42:00.000-05:002007-05-03T14:42:00.000-05:00JSH,Let me say clearly, I do not believe that Wade...JSH,<BR/><BR/>Let me say clearly, I do not believe that Wade Burleson supports the killing of abortion doctors.<BR/><BR/>I am asserting that many people disrespected the SBC by electing Drake in Greensboro. His nominator and speechwriter certainly share some of the blame. If the Coalition supported his nomination, it deserves some of the blame. Some lesser level of blame rests upon all who voted Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-3498682236102657272007-05-03T14:37:00.000-05:002007-05-03T14:37:00.000-05:00Alan,When you can find a way for the SBC to be gui...Alan,<BR/><BR/>When you can find a way for the SBC to be guided by the Bible without it going through people, then you let me know and I'll sign right on.<BR/><BR/>Only nobody anywhere has ever known of such a plan. The closest thing I can think of was the unification plan that brought together the old General Association of General Baptists and the General Assembly of General Baptists. "No creedBart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-23011045994363102012007-05-03T14:33:00.000-05:002007-05-03T14:33:00.000-05:00Alan,You correctly understand my post. Every perso...Alan,<BR/><BR/>You correctly understand my post. Every person who voted for Wiley Drake is at fault. Would that we had not been so cavalier in Greensboro.<BR/><BR/>Let's do better in San Antonio.Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-27939296202162176612007-05-03T12:45:00.000-05:002007-05-03T12:45:00.000-05:00Correction: Burleson's comments from Baptistlife.J...Correction: Burleson's comments from Baptistlife.<BR/><BR/>JSHAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-22635317721078453352007-05-03T12:42:00.000-05:002007-05-03T12:42:00.000-05:00Incredible that Mr. Burleson would write an entire...Incredible that Mr. Burleson would write an entire article on why Wiley Drake should not be re-elected to an office of the SBC. Whether Mr. Burleson admits it or not,there is no doubt that he supported Brother Drake's nomination. In light of this fact, the comment he made in the Ethics Daily forum is even more alarming concerning his agenda/beliefs: <BR/><BR/>Word for wrod from Mr. Burleson- "I Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-91175063127056520042007-05-03T11:48:00.000-05:002007-05-03T11:48:00.000-05:00And, Wiley should be removed for his stance Bart. ...And, Wiley should be removed for his stance Bart. He should be removed right now. Today. <BR/><BR/>I didn't know much about Wiley Drake before last year, although I knew about the Disney Boycott which I thought ridiculous. But, clearly enough of the SBC agreed with it to pass it. Also, enough of the SBC agreed that Wiley should be 2nd VP to elect him. I thought you were okay with whatever the Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-55760696391293719612007-05-03T11:24:00.000-05:002007-05-03T11:24:00.000-05:00Amazing post and analogy Bart!!! One would wonder ...Amazing post and analogy Bart!!! One would wonder if the Burleson coalition continues to take us down a road that they feel they can and will, is it the horses head that we must concern ourselves with, or will the SBC become a model of other certain anatomical areas of the horse!<BR/><BR/>Let us do all we can to insure that this is not a lasting problem but just a blink on the radar of SBC Jack Maddoxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15103122833733271927noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-37244531701520246342007-05-03T10:16:00.000-05:002007-05-03T10:16:00.000-05:00Bart,A very apropos post. Wade Burleson indeed di...Bart,<BR/><BR/>A very apropos post. Wade Burleson indeed disavows some of the things Wiley Drake stands for, but Burleson’s disdain for the Conservative Resurgence leadership (despite his numerous comments denying it) and his glee at putting a thorn in the side of the resurgence is revealed in his own comments. He says, “[Wiley Drake’s] positions politically, culturally and eschatologically Matt Bradyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10035601113330072618noreply@blogger.com