tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post6455022262846524620..comments2023-10-19T10:34:33.030-05:00Comments on Praisegod Barebones: Pray for the Peace of Jerusalem on the BrazosBart Barberhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-76717867420128206692009-10-21T00:02:59.956-05:002009-10-21T00:02:59.956-05:00"Also, under Sloan/Schmeltekopf, Schmeltekopf..."Also, under Sloan/Schmeltekopf, Schmeltekopf actually interviewed faculty prospects and questioned them about their religious beliefs. Previously, the administration had just rubber-stamped whichever candidate the departmental chair recommended."<br /><br />And there is the reason for some of the controversy under Sloan. My dad was hired during the Sloan era, just months prior to the Big Daddy Weavehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06270791070315400815noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-67306727174817578622009-10-20T20:51:13.397-05:002009-10-20T20:51:13.397-05:00R.,
I think you're right. If I recall correc...R.,<br /><br />I think you're right. If I recall correctly, one of the first things Dr. Sloan did that displeased some people was to change the way Baylor's ads for faculty positions appeared in the Chronicle for Higher Education.<br /><br />As I recall the new ads did indicate a hiring preference for Baptits, tjen non-Baptist evangelicals, then other protestants, then Catholics. Or Stuartnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-1927846181630999642009-10-20T19:31:02.984-05:002009-10-20T19:31:02.984-05:00I meant to say I believe a percentage of Baptist p...I meant to say I believe a percentage of Baptist profs at Baylor isn't a bad idea.r. grannemannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06634508382376106171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-15148741336561588482009-10-20T19:28:11.836-05:002009-10-20T19:28:11.836-05:00Big Daddy,
Many evangelicals were hired under Slo...Big Daddy,<br /><br />Many evangelicals were hired under Sloan, and of course there was the charge that under Lilly many of those people were denied tenure. I believe the statistics bore that out to some degree (both the hiring and tenure denial).<br /><br />Concerning Baylor hiring Baptist, what I am talking is guidelines to departments. The administration didn't dictate who was hired, but r. grannemannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06634508382376106171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-35450487246087535302009-10-20T19:21:38.855-05:002009-10-20T19:21:38.855-05:00BDW:
Thanks. Congrats on the Ph.D.! That's ...BDW:<br /><br />Thanks. Congrats on the Ph.D.! That's a big deal.<br /><br />You're right. My question was bad. I'll withdraw it.<br /><br />Take care. Keep up the intelligent comments.<br /><br />LouisAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-9213147570833839632009-10-20T19:19:13.557-05:002009-10-20T19:19:13.557-05:00R. Granneman:
Thanks for the info. Hope it conti...R. Granneman:<br /><br />Thanks for the info. Hope it continues that way.<br /><br />LouisAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-63243552603444623732009-10-20T18:23:15.821-05:002009-10-20T18:23:15.821-05:00BDW,
You said: "We studied the relationship ...BDW,<br /><br />You said: "We studied the relationship between neuroscience and religion just today."<br /><br />As a psych major at Baylor, I can honestly say that would have never happened when I was at Baylor. Perhaps the difference between graduate and undergrad, but hopefully something more.<br /><br />Also, perhaps I should have qualified "many" Texas Baptists would Stuartnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-57535698012438610282009-10-20T18:15:16.851-05:002009-10-20T18:15:16.851-05:00Louis,
I am in my last semester of coursework as ...Louis,<br /><br />I am in my last semester of coursework as a doctoral student in Religion, Politics & Society program at Baylor. My father is on the graduate faculty at Baylor and is the Director of Undergraduate Studies for the Religion Department. He also teaches a Baptist history course at Truett Seminary.<br /><br />I really don't know what you mean by "the mold of the typicalBig Daddy Weavehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06270791070315400815noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-43231920097385171832009-10-20T14:38:21.900-05:002009-10-20T14:38:21.900-05:00R.,
I'm not sure if they still use the facult...R.,<br /><br />I'm not sure if they still use the faculty interview questionnaire that was implemented by Sloan/Schmeltekopf, but to compare it to its forerunner is striking.<br /><br />Consider this language from the form letter that prospective faculty received in the 80s through mid-90s. "Christianity at Baylor is best manifested in a loving relationship with other members of the Stuartnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-75493175608905823652009-10-20T14:12:58.802-05:002009-10-20T14:12:58.802-05:00Louis,
In hiring faculty Baylor requires a Christ...Louis,<br /><br />In hiring faculty Baylor requires a Christian faith and service statement. Under President Sloan there was a preference given to Baptist candidates (not sure if that still applies). To the extent Baylor recruites sincerely Christian and Baptist faculty, it will be (in a certain sense) a Christian and Baptist institution, albeit with more Christian diversity than you would have r. grannemannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06634508382376106171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-45230626903713195992009-10-20T14:09:58.336-05:002009-10-20T14:09:58.336-05:00BDW and Stuart:
thanks for the interesting info. ...BDW and Stuart:<br /><br />thanks for the interesting info. I really do wish everybody the best.<br /><br />LouisAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-39396353458095753622009-10-20T12:04:24.448-05:002009-10-20T12:04:24.448-05:00Louis,
If Baylor can be a stronger "Christia...Louis,<br /><br />If Baylor can be a stronger "Christian University"--in the sense of its mission, its identity, its faculty recruiting, its integration of faith and learning, its Christian orthodoxy--by becoming a less "Baptist University"--as defined by its own leaders throughout the 70s and 80s--then I'm all for it.<br /><br />We all know that Baylor was/will/would/won&Stuartnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-54146312644734960712009-10-20T11:51:06.138-05:002009-10-20T11:51:06.138-05:00BDW,
You said that 2012 has largely become accept...BDW,<br /><br />You said that 2012 has largely become accepted orthodoxy. I'm several years and many miles removed from Waco, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. I hope you're right.<br /><br />I think I somewhat disagree with Bart about the BAA. <br /><br />It was 2012 that first set the BAA at odds with the (previous previous) administration. For many years the BAA was Stuartnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-50222285287537854452009-10-19T15:54:20.957-05:002009-10-19T15:54:20.957-05:00Big Daddy Weave:
Thanks for the response.
I have...Big Daddy Weave:<br /><br />Thanks for the response.<br /><br />I have not read and am unware completely of the Baylor Vision 2012 document.<br /><br />Like I said, I really don't follow Baylor. I just know that half of the Baptists in Texas think Jesus has returned and lives there and the other half think that it is not a distinctly Baptist or Christian place, though they would be quick to Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-86746455006955094062009-10-19T11:46:50.764-05:002009-10-19T11:46:50.764-05:00Louis,
Baylor Vision 2012 (assuming you're fa...Louis,<br /><br />Baylor Vision 2012 (assuming you're familiar with 2012?) has become the largely accepted orthodoxy here. I don't see the primary elements of that vision being altered at any point in the foreseeable future. Through the integration of faith and learning, Baylor aims to be a distinctly Christian tier-one research university. Granted, how you integrate faith and learningBig Daddy Weavehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06270791070315400815noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-6728152174015570562009-10-19T08:50:18.481-05:002009-10-19T08:50:18.481-05:00I have never been to Baylor. My father in law and...I have never been to Baylor. My father in law and my mother in law (RIP) are graduates.<br /><br />I have heard nothing about Baylor except that it's controversial since I first heard of it.<br /><br />Baylor, apparently, suffers from an ailment that is common among many Baptist and formerly Baptist institutions, i.e., "Are we really Baptist at all anymore?"<br /><br />Having neverAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-26031879064719726592009-10-18T23:16:44.257-05:002009-10-18T23:16:44.257-05:00Big Daddy,
OK. Concerning BAA I stand corrected, ...Big Daddy,<br /><br />OK. Concerning BAA I stand corrected, and I'm not an insider -- just remembering old press, and my memory could be faulty.<br /><br />David Garland wrote the New American Commentary for 2 Corinthians published B&H Publishing Group (basically the SBC's follow on to the old Broadman Commentary). To me that's an indication he's evangelical and conservative. r. grannemannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06634508382376106171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-22814880587315165812009-10-18T18:02:16.336-05:002009-10-18T18:02:16.336-05:00r. grannemann,
You've created a false dichoto...r. grannemann,<br /><br />You've created a false dichotomy with the BAA (less evangelical) vs. Garland Administration (more evangelical) comparison. I don't know of anyone here that would draw such a distinction. Before this controversy erupted, I'm quite sure that a number of BAA insiders were cheerleaders for a permanent Garland Administration. Despite the controversy, I'm Big Daddy Weavehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06270791070315400815noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-34449222114138916892009-10-18T16:20:45.001-05:002009-10-18T16:20:45.001-05:00Wow - what a mess. My sister graduated from there...Wow - what a mess. My sister graduated from there and after I watched all the happenings back then - I decided to go and graduate from Liberty. :)Tim Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10885623376514366024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-10568764134184234762009-10-18T14:30:27.635-05:002009-10-18T14:30:27.635-05:00Good point about poor preachers. Yeah, why would a...Good point about poor preachers. Yeah, why would anyone solicit money from them.<br /><br />But as far as the politics of the situation is concerned, the BAA is controlled by the former Reynolds people (considered more liberal, agitated for getting rid of Dembski, wants the school to be less evangelical), and the administration by David Garland (an evangelical conservative).r. grannemannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06634508382376106171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-27600784698388885212009-10-18T14:09:24.664-05:002009-10-18T14:09:24.664-05:00That's a fair point, but it is not exactly equ...That's a fair point, but it is not exactly equivalent.<br /><br />1. The difference between 25% and 100% is all the difference in the world.<br /><br />2. Because SWBTS is a seminary and BU is a university, the alumni of BU do not necessarily correlate highly with the membership of the BGCT. With regard to SWBTS, there is a high degree of correlation between interested alumni and members of Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-70244632617926979732009-10-18T13:59:10.595-05:002009-10-18T13:59:10.595-05:00I meant Baptist General Convention of Texas (BGCT)...I meant Baptist General Convention of Texas (BGCT).r. grannemannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06634508382376106171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-47641625912128352012009-10-18T13:57:29.137-05:002009-10-18T13:57:29.137-05:00Bart,
Well, I was against the self-perpetuating b...Bart,<br /><br />Well, I was against the self-perpetuating board at Baylor, and still am. However, Baylor's board of regents isn't entirely self-perpetuating. One fourth are appointed by the General Baptist Convention of Texas.r. grannemannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06634508382376106171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-65583910947865871112009-10-18T13:45:59.517-05:002009-10-18T13:45:59.517-05:00Bro. Grannemann,
I was elected as a trustee by th...Bro. Grannemann,<br /><br />I was elected as a trustee by the alumni of SWBTS, among others. If we were governed by a self-perpetuating board, I might very well consider just such an option. The governance arrangement of SWBTS makes such a move unnecessary at SWBTS, IMHO.Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-89597167297533296792009-10-18T13:40:12.826-05:002009-10-18T13:40:12.826-05:00Let me add that I don't care what the BAA does...Let me add that I don't care what the BAA does. If they take financial support from Baylor and use Baylor facilities, then they should come under the control of the administration. If they don't, then they can be independent if they choose to be.r. grannemannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06634508382376106171noreply@blogger.com