tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post681650890241417227..comments2023-10-19T10:34:33.030-05:00Comments on Praisegod Barebones: In the Town of New Orleans, Part 2Bart Barberhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-3051764367974990592012-06-25T15:36:11.132-05:002012-06-25T15:36:11.132-05:00I guess I want it both ways. I want Tribble and Dr...I guess I want it both ways. I want Tribble and Drake and my friend Tim Overton, and whoever else to have the freedom to make motions, go to the mic, bring up issues, etc. I also want the freedom to rely more heavily on the insights and opinions of those I've elected than to one guy who wants to dominate the floor mic. Finally, I want the right to be playfully annoyed by someone who wastes soTodd Benkerthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01946569777635522966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-38092789105351425712012-06-25T10:42:01.654-05:002012-06-25T10:42:01.654-05:00Bart,
Tribble demonstrated and communicated the c...Bart,<br /><br />Tribble demonstrated and communicated the courage of his convictions. For that, I applaud and appreciate him.<br /><br />DwightDwight McKissichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05659524808682873078noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-54326082700927063252012-06-25T10:38:28.458-05:002012-06-25T10:38:28.458-05:00Eleanor Roosevelt famously said (sort of), "N...Eleanor Roosevelt famously said (<a href="http://quoteinvestigator.com/2012/04/30/no-one-inferior/" rel="nofollow">sort of</a>), "No one can make you feel inferior without your consent."<br /><br />Similarly, I believe that elitism can never really be perpetrated by the elites alone. Non-elites create elitism. The theory of elitism must be embraced by the masses before it can hold sway.Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-64520693715917461332012-06-25T10:27:17.505-05:002012-06-25T10:27:17.505-05:00Max,
Perhaps having a Parliamentarian who is not ...Max,<br /><br />Perhaps having a Parliamentarian who is not a Southern Baptist makes it less likely that he will have his own axe to grind when we face contentious decisions?Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-57040743079138950892012-06-25T08:42:16.770-05:002012-06-25T08:42:16.770-05:00Peter, you didn't just ask the wrong person th...Peter, you didn't just ask the wrong person the wrong question you ARE the WRONG Person. The elites think only certain people matter in the SBC thus all the talk of voices who deserve to be margenilized. <br /><br />The elites have decided the direction of the convention and there will be no dissent or you will be accused of not wanting unity. Unity, is according to the elites, accomplishedAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-41696893091441762342012-06-25T07:50:06.616-05:002012-06-25T07:50:06.616-05:00Bart,
I think you've raised perhaps one of th...Bart,<br /><br />I think you've raised perhaps one of the most significant issues facing SBs today. While some form of elitism has plagued our conventional life as far back as I can remember (there was a time when Paige Patterson and Paul Pressler were standing outside the SBC political structures peeping in through the side window), we were at that time separated by theological temperament.peter lumpkinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00515936082186368659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-58366314529469745232012-06-24T20:45:00.196-05:002012-06-24T20:45:00.196-05:00Dr. Tribble appeared to have a good handle on Robe...Dr. Tribble appeared to have a good handle on Robert's Rules of Order. As an SBC pastor, perhaps he should be considered as a back-up to Parliamentarian Barry McCarty, who is a pastor in the Disciples of Christ denomination. Either man appears quite capable of directing convention meetings with parliamentary authority.Maxnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-70988595804985978332012-06-24T17:51:26.841-05:002012-06-24T17:51:26.841-05:00That's OK, Bob. Misspelling I'm OK with. R...That's OK, Bob. Misspelling I'm OK with. Rhyming will get you in trouble, though.Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-47303572417829721272012-06-24T17:31:27.092-05:002012-06-24T17:31:27.092-05:00Uhhh .. my apologies for misspelling your name. Se...Uhhh .. my apologies for misspelling your name. Seriously.Bob Clevelandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06110395869562328309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-37265834859234833722012-06-24T17:23:15.678-05:002012-06-24T17:23:15.678-05:00Todd,
I speak as someone who had some of the same...Todd,<br /><br />I speak as someone who had some of the same feelings last week, but who has come to conclude that I was wrong. Here are some of the questions I asked myself.<br /><br />Did I get playfully annoyed because the motions were trivial matters, or did I determine that they were trivial matters because I had been annoyed? Go back and look at the motions. <br /><br />He was addressing Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-78062819255824434372012-06-24T16:17:07.492-05:002012-06-24T16:17:07.492-05:00Thanks for the honesty Bart! I was following your ...Thanks for the honesty Bart! I was following your twitter posts while at work. I agree about the elitism. It has no place with disciples of the Lord Jesus Christ who came to serve and not be served in this world. We all need to be in a constant state of humility and repentence before the great God we serve.jjvolkanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17526442728914458665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-24701684099085412282012-06-24T15:53:50.425-05:002012-06-24T15:53:50.425-05:00Bart, I read the tweets about Tribble and the nick...Bart, I read the tweets about Tribble and the nickname coined "Tribblaltion of 2012". I had no idea what he had brought to the floor. I wish our leaders would begin to have the heart the Lord gave you in the writing of this post.<br /><br />This is the kind of thing that has gone on in blogs for so long. The every-day, pew-sitter who has an opinion, does not dare dip their toes into hariette petersen (selahV)http://selahvtoday.typepad.com/sbcencnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-3748778203022807012012-06-24T15:48:39.059-05:002012-06-24T15:48:39.059-05:00I thought Tribble was refreshing although a bit od...I thought Tribble was refreshing although a bit odd maybe due to his very serious and persistent approach. As a pastor who is outside of the elite crowd, I appreciated his willingness to address some issues that he felt were important. Actually, one or two of his motions resonated with me. He obviously had worked hard and was well prepared. I thought it was good to be a part of a convention Richmond Goolsbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17057592898812867839noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-52603354658314412172012-06-24T15:37:06.713-05:002012-06-24T15:37:06.713-05:00Ouch Bart,
Guilty here also. Then I got home and ...Ouch Bart,<br />Guilty here also. Then I got home and looked up much of what he covered. The guy had studied and obviously had some interesting points.<br /><br />Bottom line is, no excuses - we were guilty!Tim Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10885623376514366024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-35731749327960592032012-06-24T15:36:15.951-05:002012-06-24T15:36:15.951-05:00I don't think it unreasonable to be playfully ...I don't think it unreasonable to be playfully annoyed by one man continuously going to the mic as he did. Seemed like a lot of time wasted on trivial matters to me. SMH RMETodd Benkerthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01946569777635522966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-33449186237794456722012-06-24T14:48:27.585-05:002012-06-24T14:48:27.585-05:00Baft,
Just prior to the Wednesday afternoon sessi...Baft,<br /><br />Just prior to the Wednesday afternoon session, I spent about 45 minutes talking with Richard in the hall. We sat right across from Microphone #3, from which he spoke to his motion in the afternoon session. I can honestly say I've never spoken with a more pleasant, earnest, sincere man in my life. He told of how he's going about starting a Bible study/church plant in a Bob Clevelandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06110395869562328309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-68997837824198092532012-06-24T14:43:29.668-05:002012-06-24T14:43:29.668-05:00We have leaders who are leading in this elitism. T...We have leaders who are leading in this elitism. There's nothing subtle about it. Twitter exposes the nastiness. What's sad is that this will be the only blog that expresses any remorse for such disrespectful attitudes against fellow Christians.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-44548037673442194662012-06-24T14:21:39.254-05:002012-06-24T14:21:39.254-05:00This is an outstanding post! I was part of the sni...This is an outstanding post! I was part of the snickering and eye rolling, but after reading this I too repent of my actions and pray that God humbles our hearts as we work together for Him.Garland H. Honeycuttnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-58813086753696462242012-06-24T14:04:46.203-05:002012-06-24T14:04:46.203-05:00Outstanding post, Bart. I agree. In Tribble's ...Outstanding post, Bart. I agree. In Tribble's defense, I think we are all a bit jaded at this point. We are all just waiting for "that guy" to step up and argue over something trivial. He fit the bill this time, even if he was not really doing that. The perception is that he was and that has more to do with the past and less to do with Tribble himself. We have all had bad Alan Crosshttp://downshoredrift.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-65548172003548863042012-06-24T14:03:21.458-05:002012-06-24T14:03:21.458-05:00"Could it be that most of us Southern Baptist..."Could it be that most of us Southern Baptists have descended into a subtle elitism?"<br />Alas, this is a concern we should take seriously.Malcolm Yarnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05527418213499559637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-62482874677990781612012-06-24T13:45:46.390-05:002012-06-24T13:45:46.390-05:00Dr. Barber,
Well said. I too need to examine my h...Dr. Barber,<br /><br />Well said. I too need to examine my heart.Jasonhttp://www.jasonpkees.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-1984498029226245032012-06-24T12:59:03.228-05:002012-06-24T12:59:03.228-05:00Very good article. Yes, elitism is alive and well ...Very good article. Yes, elitism is alive and well in the SBC (aka GCB)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-15238356893902621642012-06-24T11:55:18.592-05:002012-06-24T11:55:18.592-05:00You make good comments here. Thank you for being c...You make good comments here. Thank you for being candid. I rolled my eyes a time or two as well.<br /> <br /> One thing you say that I disagree with, however. You say that elitism has "subtly" crept in among us. I say no - it is not even subtle, it is blatant. Big shots rule; little guys drool.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-23768013985382508122012-06-24T10:29:29.732-05:002012-06-24T10:29:29.732-05:00Excellent comment. Thank you. You are right, eliti...Excellent comment. Thank you. You are right, elitism has crept in. I watched it and agree with your assessement and how many motions and timing. <br /><br />The mass derision toward Tribble through tweets, etc was unnecessary and quite frankly, not very nice. I even saw some by leaders. I was astonished at how many people felt comfortable making fun of him publicly. <br /><br />Just another way IAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com