tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post7759709931284704191..comments2023-10-19T10:34:33.030-05:00Comments on Praisegod Barebones: The Steely Backbone of the School of Jerry FalwellBart Barberhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comBlogger174125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-79564728858590544882010-04-19T11:02:37.141-05:002010-04-19T11:02:37.141-05:00So, Debbie, after all of these things are revealed...So, Debbie, after all of these things are revealed, we get a literal "lol" offered in response. This diminishes my hopes for respectful consideration and meaningful response. The response I quoted in its entirety does not meet that criteria.Byroniachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14946794635613455210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-20562483533358854062010-04-19T10:55:28.626-05:002010-04-19T10:55:28.626-05:00Yep Byron. That's the distinction. In one serm...Yep Byron. That's the distinction. In one sermon Dr. Caner also talks about his father having many wives. Again did not happen. Not an imam, did not have many wives. That is just two of many.Debbie Kaufmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17748664558802779885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-14972312960184663502010-04-19T07:57:47.073-05:002010-04-19T07:57:47.073-05:00lollolvolfan007https://www.blogger.com/profile/15635929001030697924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-11373110198015097402010-04-18T21:37:37.669-05:002010-04-18T21:37:37.669-05:00That's what the distinction was. I forgot that...That's what the distinction was. I forgot that. Thanks, Debbie.Byroniachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14946794635613455210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-18068223317272121172010-04-18T19:29:47.257-05:002010-04-18T19:29:47.257-05:00That should be imam. Dr. Caner's father was ne...That should be imam. Dr. Caner's father was never an imam.Debbie Kaufmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17748664558802779885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-72107382905097743972010-04-18T19:27:39.073-05:002010-04-18T19:27:39.073-05:00David: Dr. Caner's father was not an inman. He...David: Dr. Caner's father was not an inman. He was a man who called people to prayer. Children can be asked to do this, anyone can be asked to do this. It is not a high position in the Mosque.Debbie Kaufmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17748664558802779885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-37582062977479826822010-04-17T18:47:55.782-05:002010-04-17T18:47:55.782-05:00I should have said that I have heard that any Musl...I should have said that I have heard that any Muslim faithful to an Islamic assembly can be an Imam of that assembly, but quite honestly I do not know. However, if someone is truly devout in a religion, would they then years later forget basic religious teachings of that faith and pronunciations of words? (e.g. #4 in AOMin blog post on 03/05/2010).<br /><br />I am not here to judge the man (I Byroniachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14946794635613455210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-28358295035198693082010-04-17T18:45:51.646-05:002010-04-17T18:45:51.646-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Byroniachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14946794635613455210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-44080771675065362552010-04-17T18:38:15.658-05:002010-04-17T18:38:15.658-05:00David Worley,
I have heard that anyone can be an ...David Worley,<br /><br />I have heard that anyone can be an Imam, but I do not know. However, in the Baptist world, "Preacher's kids" are known for not being, well, devout. I do not think that is the case here; I am just making a point, that the religious stand of a parent is not always a good guarantee. Dr. Caner's early life may very well prove he was Muslim, but that he was Byroniachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14946794635613455210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-52494903857208441402010-04-17T17:17:37.826-05:002010-04-17T17:17:37.826-05:00Byron,
If I remember right, their father was a Mu...Byron,<br /><br />If I remember right, their father was a Muslim Imam. How devout do you think they were?<br /><br />Davidvolfan007https://www.blogger.com/profile/15635929001030697924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-31373886075485724872010-04-17T15:42:18.146-05:002010-04-17T15:42:18.146-05:00David Worley,
1: I appreciate that. I really do.
...David Worley,<br /><br />1: I appreciate that. I really do.<br /><br />2: This is not about needing to give the benefit of the doubt as if there's no certainty real problems (e.g., real contradictions) exist. This would not be nearly so large of a deal I believe if Ergun Caner's repentance statement had actually clarified the issues involved (which I believe was sincere, though not Byroniachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14946794635613455210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-69625707562016214482010-04-17T13:15:40.544-05:002010-04-17T13:15:40.544-05:00Everyone,
First of all, I believe that we should ...Everyone,<br /><br />First of all, I believe that we should always tell the truth, even if it hurts…even if it means losing our shirt…tell the truth.<br /><br />Second, I believe in giving a Brother the benefit of the doubt, until it’s proven to me different. I’ve heard nothing that substantially tells me different. I admit that there’s things being said that make me wonder, but I also know that volfan007https://www.blogger.com/profile/15635929001030697924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-49416612356268925542010-04-13T09:33:52.120-05:002010-04-13T09:33:52.120-05:00Paige Patterson in “Anatomy of a Reformation” stat...Paige Patterson in “Anatomy of a Reformation” states: “To conservatives, [Ralph] Elliott’s startling admission that “doublespeak” was common at Southern Baptist Convention seminaries was astonishing only because Elliott was so forthright. Furthermore, Elliot’s last sentence was precisely the issue. To conservatives, <b>the issue was integrity</b> [bold-face added].<br /><br />What are Paige bapticus hereticushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04526321800594075557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-64864402942455372092010-04-09T11:28:16.657-05:002010-04-09T11:28:16.657-05:00Perhaps you could make a trip to Turkey with your ...Perhaps you could make a trip to Turkey with your video recorder, too. :o)Lydiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17367390474045060624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-79759888829616375862010-04-09T09:24:37.869-05:002010-04-09T09:24:37.869-05:00Helping L's with a link ...
SBC Today > St...Helping L's with a link ...<br /><br /><a href="http://sbctoday.com/2010/02/25/statement-from-dr-ergun-caner/" rel="nofollow">SBC Today > Statement from Dr. Ergun Caner 25 FEBRUARY 2010</a>.Rameshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09728392311602332613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-67380529426177587062010-04-08T23:44:50.072-05:002010-04-08T23:44:50.072-05:00The documents given there establish beyond any dou...The documents given there establish beyond any doubt that:<br /><br />1. The Caner brothers lived in Ohio (which I've known all along from the Caners themselves)<br /><br />2. Their parents divorced.<br /><br />3. Their parents owned real estate.<br /><br />4. There was an arrangement for custody sharing.<br /><br />I let the computer search through the documents for the phrase "Islamic Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-74415189467237673962010-04-08T23:34:16.584-05:002010-04-08T23:34:16.584-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Lydiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17367390474045060624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-66582981532178129462010-04-08T23:33:41.101-05:002010-04-08T23:33:41.101-05:00"These facts also make me question the reliab..."These facts also make me question the reliability of these sources. I would want more reliable sources before I concluded that Ergun is lying.<br />"<br /><br />Are you totally dismissng these public documents as unreliable?<br /><br />http://blog.witnessesuntome.com/2010/03/ergun-caners-secret-biography.html<br /><br />They certainly tell a different story than what Ergun has told in Lydiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17367390474045060624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-80679486565885057892010-04-08T23:18:48.774-05:002010-04-08T23:18:48.774-05:00Attempt #3.
Fact: Caner came to America when he w...Attempt #3.<br /><br />Fact: Caner came to America when he was 4. Not when he was 15. When he was 4. <br /><br />Source for this: Ergun's and Emir's book in which they state that Ergun was born in Sweden, and Emir was born in Columbus after they had emigrated from Sweden. they said it, in their own book.<br /><br />Emir was born in August 1970.<br /><br />Source: Emir's bio. <br /><brFBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-21189688958062090832010-04-08T22:50:47.153-05:002010-04-08T22:50:47.153-05:00OK, maybe I'm missing something here. I, too, ...OK, maybe I'm missing something here. I, too, will try again.<br /><br />I know that you have your own video source that Ergun has said all of those things. What I'm talking about is your source that allegedly REFUTES those things in Ergun's life. For the refutation of those things, you're depending upon the "fake ExMuslim" people aren't you?<br /><br />Or maybe you Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-70072527131077286282010-04-08T22:16:55.004-05:002010-04-08T22:16:55.004-05:00Bart - I'll try it one more time.
My "s...Bart - I'll try it one more time. <br /><br />My "source" is my own experience, and a recording of the sermon he preached at FBC Jax on 11/20/01, which I heard live as a member of FBC Jax. I only weighed in on the Caner debate last week AFTER I went back and listened to his sermon on 11/20/01.<br /><br />I was there. I sat in the audience.<br /><br />I heard him say:<br /><br />1. &FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-50897181146433116912010-04-08T21:49:55.605-05:002010-04-08T21:49:55.605-05:00FJW, I am not being dishonest.
I stated that you ...FJW, I am not being dishonest.<br /><br />I stated that you seemed not to comprehend the full force of the accusations against the Caner brothers. I authored this post in consideration of what others were saying about Ergun, and not what you were saying about him.<br /><br />About his participation in "Islamic Youth Jihad" or the degree of his terrorist training, if any, I simply don&#Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-14007142005698939672010-04-08T21:31:34.633-05:002010-04-08T21:31:34.633-05:00Bart - you're not being honest.
I'm not c...Bart - you're not being honest.<br /><br />I'm not claiming that the Caner's weren't genuine converts from Islam.<br /><br />I've pointed out that Caner's testimony is grossly exaggerated, and significant parts are lies.<br /><br />Not minor misstatements, but purposeful exaggerations made to FBC Jax right after 9/11, to make himself to be more of an expert on Islam and FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-68122582836669740332010-04-08T21:08:35.098-05:002010-04-08T21:08:35.098-05:00Thanks, Jeff!
And I guess it is turning out to be...Thanks, Jeff!<br /><br />And I guess it is turning out to be the last response, although the thread was still hopping as recently as last night.<br /><br />Of course, I know all of those areas well, but particularly Leachville. I have preached at the church in Leachville before, and I have good friends from over in that direction. In particular, Nathan Sanders has been a brother and a friend Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-81803343941753301422010-04-08T21:03:14.361-05:002010-04-08T21:03:14.361-05:00Bart, Good last response. Lake City is not to far...Bart, Good last response. Lake City is not to far from my old stomping grounds in Mississippi county. My dad preached at Leachville, Luxora, and Blytheville.Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17564978547353834463noreply@blogger.com