tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post8062225099549737327..comments2023-10-19T10:34:33.030-05:00Comments on Praisegod Barebones: Ignored Honor KillingsBart Barberhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-37188391518864400242009-11-06T16:20:52.948-06:002009-11-06T16:20:52.948-06:00CB,
Good question. The USA needs to wake up and ...CB,<br /><br />Good question. The USA needs to wake up and see that Islam is not a peaceful religion. How in the world can we send a teenage girl back to parents that she's afraid of...that they might kill her for converting to Christianity? And, how can a Muslim terrorist be an Army psychiatrist in our army????<br /><br />Incredible.<br /><br />Davidvolfan007https://www.blogger.com/profile/15635929001030697924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-65062988210366471052009-11-06T15:41:20.087-06:002009-11-06T15:41:20.087-06:00Matthew Shepherd was not killed because of his sex...Matthew Shepherd was not killed because of his sexual orientation. His death was due to just another drug deal that went bad.<br /><br />Those who killed him got the maximum punishment possible even had there been Hate Crimes laws in force at the time.<br /><br />Hate Crimes legislation will not be a good thing for this nation.<br /><br />BTW, would the perpetrator of the killings at Fort Hood beCB Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02230652312241919771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-44599429792371228932009-11-06T11:19:10.101-06:002009-11-06T11:19:10.101-06:00Nope. Sorry. Don't see it. It doesn't m...Nope. Sorry. Don't see it. It doesn't matter who the victim is. If someone commits a crime, they should be punished. Judges have some control over the severity of the sentence if the perp if found guilty. In the case you describe, I think the judge should use the stiffest penalty possible.<br /><br />The purpose of the hate crimes laws is to start us down the road where Christians Joe Blackmonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05609279285784683781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-13306016806330480602009-11-06T10:51:51.326-06:002009-11-06T10:51:51.326-06:00Joe,
When I was in college, I had a friend who to...Joe,<br /><br />When I was in college, I had a friend who told me the story related below. It is about two guys he personally knew who told him what they did on repeated occasions. I have the story second or third hand, but I consider it fairly reliable.<br /><br />The two guys would go to a gay bar, pick up a couple men, then drive out to the place we called the West Mesa, vacant prairie land r. grannemannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06634508382376106171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-5379797087999545262009-11-06T09:53:52.056-06:002009-11-06T09:53:52.056-06:00Louis,
Good points. What is "incoherant&qu...Louis,<br /><br /><br />Good points. What is "incoherant" is someone claiming that homosexuality is equal to race and we must give it protected status. People do not choose to be born black or white or bi-racial. People choose who they have sex with. Homosexuals have no more right to be protected that any other individual.<br /><br />No Christian would be pro-gay rights because theyJoe Blackmonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05609279285784683781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-67825739953319885272009-11-06T08:08:31.335-06:002009-11-06T08:08:31.335-06:00BDW:
Thanks for the additional info. You are well...BDW:<br /><br />Thanks for the additional info. You are well versed in this debate.<br /><br />I do not believe, however, that because people who oppose hate crimes generally have failed to try and repeal hate crimes means that they are any less opposed to them. If, for example, I were an elected member to Congress, I would not seek to move to repeal hate crimes laws until there was a Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-2830472551115492862009-11-05T18:56:47.509-06:002009-11-05T18:56:47.509-06:00Big Daddy Weave wrote, "Too often, the argume...Big Daddy Weave wrote, "Too often, the argument made against hate crime laws comes across as anti-gay. I think that's true to some extent. However, I'd have a little more respect for conservatives if they'd just come out and say, we don't think gays and lesbians deserve special protection nor do we think African-Americans and Jews deserve special protection."<br /><br />R. L. Vaughnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10992710377193518029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-47245185898080302942009-11-05T12:04:56.426-06:002009-11-05T12:04:56.426-06:00Louis,
I'm quite aware that conservative lega...Louis,<br /><br />I'm quite aware that conservative legal scholars have consistently opposed hate crimes legislation or any legislation that affords special protection to one class over another.<br /><br />However, there has been no movement to unprotect these classes (even when the GOP was in power) from the conservative side of the aisle. In fact, most arguments I hear and read are simply Big Daddy Weavenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-56278816975536575722009-11-05T11:03:16.305-06:002009-11-05T11:03:16.305-06:00The only thing that might make me favor hate crime...The only thing that might make me favor hate crime legislation is data showing a hate crime law reduced crime more than a corresponding law simply outlawing violence. I doubt the data would show this (in the event such data could reliably be collected). But the debate, it seems to me, hinges heavily on this point.<br /><br />Law enforcement is more likely the primary factor influencing the crime r. grannemannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06634508382376106171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-12117270518325630992009-11-05T10:05:04.208-06:002009-11-05T10:05:04.208-06:00Bart:
I am just glad to see that you read Nationa...Bart:<br /><br />I am just glad to see that you read National Review. It's not the same since WFB died, but it's a great journal of opinion. There are others, as well, on varying sides of the political divide.<br /><br />Wow. I am surpirsed at the lack of exposure some of my friends on this thread have to this issue.<br /><br />Of course conservatives have been against "Hate CrimesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-60579820191396347622009-11-05T08:00:21.428-06:002009-11-05T08:00:21.428-06:00"(My) ultimate goal is the utter demise of (A..."(My) ultimate goal is the utter demise of (American Liberalism)" -- surely much too vague to be anything other than a rhetorical device.<br /><br />I tend to be against laws in which conviction requires proof of a prejudicial motivation, as rigorous enforcement of laws against violent acts seems to me to be the best deterrent.<br /><br />However, the case for a special class of hate r. grannemannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06634508382376106171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-43459992127537308152009-11-04T20:27:05.735-06:002009-11-04T20:27:05.735-06:00Brother Bart,
A point of correction if I might:
...Brother Bart,<br /><br />A point of correction if I might:<br /><br />Honor killings are not Islamic per se. Not if you are defining Islam according to religious tenets. It is a tribal cultural occurrence. This is evidenced by the occurrence of honor killings in the Arab Christian community as well as the Muslim community.<br /><br />In this instance, Noor's father felt she had shamed their From the Middle Easthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07509281349717741174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-69831010971146308162009-11-04T17:09:31.569-06:002009-11-04T17:09:31.569-06:00Bart: BH, the "tension" of which you spe...Bart: <i>BH, the "tension" of which you speak is what comes about as a result of someone like me seeking the utter demise of liberalism. Sort of like the legal system: I'm a passionate advocate.</i><br /><br />bapticus hereticus: Thus "civil, respectful, mature and wise" discourse "begins" with assertions for the "utter demise" of the other's bapticus hereticushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04526321800594075557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-20587242136670694082009-11-04T16:04:28.592-06:002009-11-04T16:04:28.592-06:00Aaron,
Would I be opposed to hate-crimes legislat...Aaron,<br /><br />Would I be opposed to hate-crimes legislation if homosexuals were not a (proposed) protected class? It's a good question, but one that I cannot possibly answer. I did not pay attention to such things in my adolescence, and the campaign to include sexual orientation has been going on for a long time.<br /><br />I'm a law & order kind of guy, believing Romans 12-13 Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-61053636758723706032009-11-04T15:56:48.282-06:002009-11-04T15:56:48.282-06:00Bart,
The shame of this all is that there are tho...Bart,<br /><br />The shame of this all is that there are those who obviously do not think ALL murder stems from hate. The Word of God that so many in this country are opposed to clearly speaks to this issue in I John 3:11-13. These supposed hate crimes as delineated have nothing other than the goal of providing special rights, not equal rights. Equal rights would be that ALL murderers would beLukehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14616108342223765777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-90486981324901192632009-11-04T15:56:43.246-06:002009-11-04T15:56:43.246-06:00"The connection with American liberalism is t..."The connection with American liberalism is that Matthew Shepherd becomes the namesake of a law because American liberalism is obsessed with homosexuality."<br /><br />Naming a law after a homosexual does not prove that American liberals are "obsessed with homosexuality." Although, I do think an argument could be made that a number of folks are obsessed with homosexuality on Big Daddy Weavenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-63749942268308934352009-11-04T15:24:05.032-06:002009-11-04T15:24:05.032-06:00"allow the tension between the two conceptual..."allow the tension between the two conceptualizations to serve as criticism that invites subsequent reflection"<br /><br />BH, the "tension" of which you speak is what comes about as a result of someone like me seeking the utter demise of liberalism. Sort of like the legal system: I'm a passionate advocate.Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-67226534536861127742009-11-04T15:23:02.825-06:002009-11-04T15:23:02.825-06:00BDW,
The connection with American liberalism is t...BDW,<br /><br />The connection with American liberalism is that Matthew Shepherd becomes the namesake of a law because American liberalism is obsessed with homosexuality. Islamic honor killings are relatively ignored in reporting and legislation because American liberalism is bent-over-backwards to prove that we are not anti-Islam or anti-Arab.<br /><br />I, of course, am not anti-Arab, but am Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-23484027760261585932009-11-04T14:12:06.020-06:002009-11-04T14:12:06.020-06:00Bart: 1. This brutal [1] injustice arising out of ...Bart: <i>1. This brutal [1] injustice arising out of a worldview that denies religious liberty to millions of people worldwide. 2. The [2] moral vacuity and inconsistency of American liberalism. The ultimate goal is the utter [3] demise of both.</i><br /><br />bapticus hereticus: [1a] That injustice may arise when religion is denied is not disputed, nor is it when religion is affirmed, either. [bapticus hereticushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04526321800594075557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-26534197657054604382009-11-04T13:00:59.034-06:002009-11-04T13:00:59.034-06:00I don't particularly see what this has to do w...I don't particularly see what this has to do with American liberalism.<br /><br />However, the federal government could choose to prosecute this as a hate crime. Last I checked, religion was a protected class alongside race, sexual orientation, disability, etc.<br /><br />I'm sure a prosecutor could argue that this girl was targeted by her father due to her more modernized Islamic faith Big Daddy Weavenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-84438170005693023852009-11-04T10:11:52.608-06:002009-11-04T10:11:52.608-06:00My intention with this post is to draw attention t...My intention with this post is to draw attention to two things:<br /><br />1. This brutal injustice arising out of a worldview that denies religious liberty to millions of people worldwide.<br /><br />2. The moral vacuity and inconsistency of American liberalism.<br /><br />The ultimate goal is the utter demise of both.Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-39822725694488919982009-11-04T09:49:25.567-06:002009-11-04T09:49:25.567-06:00What is your intention, Bart, with this post? The ...What is your intention, Bart, with this post? The "other than" competes with "accepted dogma ...," "... multiculturalism," and "... somehow, someway, Israel and George W. Bush are at fault."bapticus hereticushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04526321800594075557noreply@blogger.com