tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post8808880859520195179..comments2023-10-19T10:34:33.030-05:00Comments on Praisegod Barebones: One Man's Trash...Bart Barberhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-23849915355494119212008-03-17T21:55:00.000-05:002008-03-17T21:55:00.000-05:00Dear friends,Frank is now in the tank.I've been go...Dear friends,<BR/><BR/>Frank is now in the tank.<BR/><BR/>I've been gone on a mission trip. I apologize for being delinquent in my blog conservatization duties (I have chosen not to apply the word "moderation" to myself).Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-84699151252820810142008-03-17T19:54:00.000-05:002008-03-17T19:54:00.000-05:00I'd just like to add my voice to those calling for...I'd just like to add my voice to those calling for the removal of the comment by "frank the tank."<BR/><BR/>While I've certainly had my share of disagreements with Ben Cole, that kind of innuendo is beyond the limit. We can and must debate our differences, but we must not allow those differences to cause us to forget that we are brothers and sisters in Christ.<BR/><BR/>I know that our host is Wes Kenneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09628590417301855884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-22773064882275484792008-03-17T18:49:00.000-05:002008-03-17T18:49:00.000-05:00Ron - Okay, thanks.Ron - <BR/><BR/>Okay, thanks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-29033894809899476192008-03-17T17:24:00.000-05:002008-03-17T17:24:00.000-05:00Ben,I do not think anyone would confuse you with B...Ben,<BR/><BR/>I do not think anyone would confuse you with Ben Cole. EVER! Alan had agreed with your post, I was just pointing out that I agreed with Bart and noted to you and Alan the relevant statements from Bart's post to support his supposition. In the same comment, but a new paragraph, I was of course referring to Ben Cole and the appalling comment about him by Frank the Tank. No reference Ron Phillips, Sr.https://www.blogger.com/profile/15891614423106717280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-55680416033165779092008-03-17T16:53:00.000-05:002008-03-17T16:53:00.000-05:00All- I think I'll post as George Macklin from now ...All- <BR/><BR/>I think I'll post as George Macklin from now on; my middle name, "Ben," seems to be unpopular around these parts.<BR/><BR/>George Macklin,<BR/>pastor, FBC VernonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-1587114191694536352008-03-17T16:44:00.000-05:002008-03-17T16:44:00.000-05:00Ron - Do I know you? I think you may be confusing ...Ron - <BR/><BR/>Do I know you? I think you may be confusing me with the other "Ben" (Cole) over at SBC Outpost. I just asked a question of clarity and I don't know what it is that I don't practice, but I'm happy to start practicing it if you'll tell me what "it" is.<BR/><BR/>Ben Macklin,<BR/>Pastor, FBC Vernon TexasAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-18723978286860761022008-03-17T13:10:00.000-05:002008-03-17T13:10:00.000-05:00Frank the Tank, While I do not condone the methods...Frank the Tank, While I do not condone the methods Ben takes to make a point, nor the continual outpouring of degrading attacks from Ben's posts, I feel it quite wrong for you to make such accusations, even as a joke. I don't like Ben's humor, but I think yours is totally out of line. You should apologize. selahVAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-14178580578600240742008-03-17T12:23:00.000-05:002008-03-17T12:23:00.000-05:00It was a bad attempt at a bad joke.At least this c...It was a bad attempt at a bad joke.<BR/><BR/>At least this crowd condemns mean-spirited personal attacks, unlike some other crowds.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-37515303502175589002008-03-17T11:38:00.000-05:002008-03-17T11:38:00.000-05:00Bart,I agree with Tim R and others that Frank the ...Bart,<BR/>I agree with Tim R and others that Frank the Tank needs a swift boot from the comment stream.<BR/><BR/>frank the tank,<BR/>I pray that you will listen to what God is saying to you in and for your life. We love people as God loves people. Throwing out attacks such as yours are not proper and frankly are WRONG!Tim Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10885623376514366024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-75036700920766032242008-03-17T11:09:00.000-05:002008-03-17T11:09:00.000-05:00Frank The Tank,I do not know who you are, but by y...Frank The Tank,<BR/><BR/>I do not know who you are, but by your link, it is obvious that you do not consider a holy life something that should coincide with Christianity. Thus, you appear to place yourself in the camp of a non-believer. As such you need to look to Christ because he is the one that can change your heart.<BR/><BR/>Your accusation of Brother Ben Cole is nothing but that--an Tim Rogershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02909751217844312917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-84827931130469275872008-03-17T09:50:00.000-05:002008-03-17T09:50:00.000-05:00Wes in Texas,You have wrapped up the situation is ...Wes in Texas,<BR/>You have wrapped up the situation is an excellant manner. You do indeed hire a lawyer because of ability to lead a case. I think the scenerio where Dr. Patterson is attacked because of who he hires is absurd - he was the one taken to court, therefore you hire someone who can defend you! You do not hire based on their beliefs theologically.<BR/><BR/>And pertaining to Broadway,Tim Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10885623376514366024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-3926903505974933402008-03-17T09:06:00.000-05:002008-03-17T09:06:00.000-05:00Debbie,These “homosexual couples” have been member...Debbie,<BR/><BR/>These “homosexual couples” have been members (yes, that’s right – full fledge members) of BBC for years. By the admission of the pastor some of them have even served in leadership at the church. They have been acknowledged by the congregation and the pastor has even admitted that he believes their inclusion is “of the Holy Spirit.” This is not a new development. What brought Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-88895986245312321042008-03-17T00:32:00.000-05:002008-03-17T00:32:00.000-05:00Dave: Where have I ever in any post here or elsewh...Dave: Where have I ever in any post here or elsewhere condoned homosexuality or membership in the church by one? Answer: never. I do believe homosexuality to be sin and not a criteria for church membership. What my point was is this, not all members agreed with those who wanted the couple's pics to be displayed in the directory. There was division. Unless the faculty would agree, it's not right Debbie Kaufmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17748664558802779885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-4382459454328084922008-03-16T23:25:00.000-05:002008-03-16T23:25:00.000-05:00Ben and Alan,I would have to disagree, and point y...Ben and Alan,<BR/><BR/>I would have to disagree, and point you to part of what Bart wrote:<BR/><BR/><I>People in the comment stream over there are scandalized to think that a Southern Baptist seminary wouldn't have professors serving as members in any old church that they want.</I><BR/><BR/>He is correct in that assessment as there are comments that state such. He also stated, and I concur, that Ron Phillips, Sr.https://www.blogger.com/profile/15891614423106717280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-10090594422860326162008-03-16T23:18:00.000-05:002008-03-16T23:18:00.000-05:00Dave,Sorry that I have not been able to get back t...Dave,<BR/><BR/>Sorry that I have not been able to get back to you until now.<BR/><BR/>Prior to the BFM2000, homosexuality was not even mentioned. Though, I believe that it is clear from prior BFM statements that a sexual relationship is only between a husband (man) and wife (woman), there are those who would see it differently, especially if the person claims to be a celibate homosexual (but Ron Phillips, Sr.https://www.blogger.com/profile/15891614423106717280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-70781892718666884222008-03-16T22:52:00.000-05:002008-03-16T22:52:00.000-05:00Bart,I hope that you will delete that last comment...Bart,<BR/><BR/>I hope that you will delete that last comment from "Frank the Tank." I've seen a lot of garbage on the blogs, but that takes the cake. <BR/><BR/>I agree with Ben Macklin, by the way. I read your post first and I expected to see a post at Outpost attacking Dr. Patterson for disciplining faculty who were members at Broadway. Instead, I saw a post that attacked his use of a lawyer Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-67279032051999887822008-03-16T20:53:00.000-05:002008-03-16T20:53:00.000-05:00Bart - I read your link and thought that the main ...Bart - <BR/><BR/>I read your link and thought that the main thrust of the SBC Outpost blog was to point out the perceived hypocrisy of Patterson being critical of professors who belong to Broadway BC while simultaneously retaining a lawyer who serves in leadership there. I guess I'm not following your thought very clearly; what are you saying?<BR/><BR/>Your Friend,<BR/><BR/>Ben MacklinAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-36670366949637816582008-03-16T14:37:00.000-05:002008-03-16T14:37:00.000-05:00Debbie,As your Pastor has stated before, the perce...Debbie,<BR/>As your Pastor has stated before, the perception created is also fact!<BR/><BR/>When your church says enough is enough pertaining to a staff member cursing on line on public blogs, sowing seeds of discord among the brethren, and more... then maybe things can work for solutions and revival. When you realize that though we are to love the sinners we cannot do anything but stand againstTim Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10885623376514366024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-62180531306437667042008-03-16T13:33:00.000-05:002008-03-16T13:33:00.000-05:00Ron, Here's my view in a nutshell. We may believe...Ron, <BR/><BR/>Here's my view in a nutshell. We may believe what we want, as long as we join together on the essentials of Baptist doctrine and practice (the "minimal" BF&M). <BR/><BR/>But no agency should exclude from fellowship or service people who are in full agreement with the BF&M. <BR/><BR/>If the convention has spoken (like on the issue of homosexuality) then we may enforce that. But Dave Millerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01637750764381837761noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-75536704906005660022008-03-16T13:29:00.000-05:002008-03-16T13:29:00.000-05:00Alex, I think I agree with you. Dr. Patterson may...Alex, <BR/><BR/>I think I agree with you. Dr. Patterson may not be the Antichrist as Ben presents him, but neither is he perfect. There is a middle ground. <BR/><BR/>Dr. Patterson is not evil, as some would have it, but he has, I believe, made some mistakes. <BR/><BR/>His interference with trustees at the IMB (which again, is a matter of speculation, but it is my impression that it happened)Dave Millerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01637750764381837761noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-15831814209754172822008-03-16T13:25:00.000-05:002008-03-16T13:25:00.000-05:00Dave,Bart's last sentence is correct and illuminat...Dave,<BR/><BR/>Bart's last sentence is correct and illuminates the fallacy of trying to make the BFM a maximal doctrinal standard. The BFM2000 does say in XV. The Christian and the Social Order: <I>...Christians should oppose racism, every form of greed, selfishness, and vice, and all forms of sexual immorality, including adultery, homosexuality, and pornography...</I><BR/><BR/>It however, does <Ron Phillips, Sr.https://www.blogger.com/profile/15891614423106717280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-14483662951906679492008-03-16T12:40:00.000-05:002008-03-16T12:40:00.000-05:00Dave: You are being totally unfair. If there is ha...Dave: You are being totally unfair. If there is hate involved it is of the deeds, and it should be. I hate the deeds that have been evident lately.<BR/><BR/> Facts are facts. Again show me anything that Ben has posted that is not true. The documents and emails given as proof are pretty convincing. I believe these things ought to come to light. Hate is a word being thrown around in an effort to Debbie Kaufmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17748664558802779885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-60359900495258688292008-03-16T12:09:00.000-05:002008-03-16T12:09:00.000-05:00Dave's point is a good one. And it does seem reas...Dave's point is a good one. <BR/><BR/>And it does seem reasonable, on the face of it, to take this stand. But I have thought perhaps a bit too hard. Surely any SWBTS staff faculty member who is a member at BBC is a force for good? Is there some doubt about that? Can faculty members not be trusted with this decision-making?<BR/><BR/>And is it morally necessary to control CP monies beyond Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-15135980485430299532008-03-16T10:31:00.000-05:002008-03-16T10:31:00.000-05:00To follow up, The convention has clearly spoken, n...To follow up, <BR/><BR/>The convention has clearly spoken, not only in the BF&M but in other resolutions that we believe that homosexual conduct is sinful. <BR/><BR/>We voted to disfellowship two churches years ago who either ordained homosexuals or blessed their unions. <BR/><BR/>Dr. Patterson has full convention authority to do what he has done here. <BR/><BR/>Bart, where has the convention Dave Millerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01637750764381837761noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-880184953228314662008-03-16T10:17:00.000-05:002008-03-16T10:17:00.000-05:00Ben Cole is blinded by hate and cannot see anythin...Ben Cole is blinded by hate and cannot see anything through the bitterness of his heart. It is sad. He was once a man who had some good ideas. <BR/><BR/>In contrast to the those who spew hatred for the convention and its seminaries, and especially for Dr. Patterson, I am glad to now be part of a convention that will take a stand. <BR/><BR/>If the conservative movement had not happened, Dave Millerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01637750764381837761noreply@blogger.com