tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post8995131265179100979..comments2023-10-19T10:34:33.030-05:00Comments on Praisegod Barebones: Not That There's Anything Wrong With ThatBart Barberhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-6675906388394711472012-04-13T18:54:02.662-05:002012-04-13T18:54:02.662-05:00A well written, even handed, encouraging article. ...A well written, even handed, encouraging article. Well done Bart<br />GroseyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-2509314004671853062012-03-07T09:25:30.075-06:002012-03-07T09:25:30.075-06:00Bart, great post!
Here are some of my thoughts, ...Bart, great post! <br /><br />Here are some of my thoughts, since it you have provoked them...<br /><br />1. Why doesn't LifeWay just come out and say, "Hey, we wrote some Calvinist curriculum. Enjoy!" I have yet to hear someone from LifeWay admit that it is, they have simply scoffed at the question. I have yet to see anyone ask them a yes/no questions about it containing the five Paul S.http://www.paulstohler.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-85964158820788037222012-03-06T15:23:28.860-06:002012-03-06T15:23:28.860-06:00Bart,
I noticed that you made the comment box a l...Bart,<br /><br />I noticed that you made the comment box a lot smaller, in this new set up you've got. Did you make the comment box smaller for a reason. :)<br /><br />Not that there's anything wrong with that.<br /><br />Davidvolfan007https://www.blogger.com/profile/15635929001030697924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-2667998314751862482012-03-06T15:03:36.841-06:002012-03-06T15:03:36.841-06:00Max,
I'm well familiar with that line of argu...Max,<br /><br />I'm well familiar with that line of argumentation, but it simply isn't tenable to suggest that all Amyraldians are merely confused about the actual content of the doctrine of Limited Atonement. In fact, not only is this Wikipedia quote not tenable, it is condescending and arrogant, suggesting "if you knew as much about Calvinism as I do, you would be a Calvinist."Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-1985825335297327752012-03-06T14:37:45.073-06:002012-03-06T14:37:45.073-06:00Bart writes "I would consider people who affi...Bart writes "I would consider people who affirm four points and people who affirm five points to fit alike within the broader penumbra of Calvinism."<br /><br />I've found the following perspective helpful in this regard: “Reformed pastor and author R.C. Sproul suggests there is confusion about what the doctrine of limited atonement actually teaches. While he considers it possible Maxnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-86630658119412646932012-03-06T06:48:47.584-06:002012-03-06T06:48:47.584-06:00Good morning, Peter! 1) Thanks for reading. 2) You...Good morning, Peter! 1) Thanks for reading. 2) You're welcome for the link. ;-)<br /><br />Have a great day!Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-38061024738216241982012-03-06T05:48:45.237-06:002012-03-06T05:48:45.237-06:00Hey Bart,
Thanks for the post. We agree about mor...Hey Bart,<br /><br />Thanks for the post. We agree about more on this subject than disagree. Not that there's anything wrong with that ;^)<br /><br />Grace, brother. Always appreciate your perspective.<br /><br />With that, I am...<br />PeterAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-11643570131619912552012-03-05T21:25:09.538-06:002012-03-05T21:25:09.538-06:00Wade, the second link to the Jim G comment can giv...Wade, the second link to the Jim G comment can give you some more direction about some of those who will be authoring the content.<br /><br />I agree that we're not far apart.Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-88521287297812706022012-03-05T20:42:18.692-06:002012-03-05T20:42:18.692-06:00Bart, I haven't seen a list of contributors, o...Bart, I haven't seen a list of contributors, only the initial advisory council, which certainly leaned calvinist. Have you seen who will be writing the curriculum? Also, I think we're saying almost the same thing about Ed. Not willing to argue over that.Wade Phillipshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01797870793178905326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-57708031359678432512012-03-05T20:25:05.776-06:002012-03-05T20:25:05.776-06:00Wade, a couple of things:
First, if the curriculu...Wade, a couple of things:<br /><br />First, if the curriculum is going to do what you have suggested (show both sides and let the people choose), then I think under those circumstances it suddenly becomes <b>MUCH more important</b> that the panel of contributors be balanced pretty well between Calvinists and those who are not. A curriculum designed to tell both sides needs to be a curriculum Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-74285683011268273812012-03-05T19:34:13.245-06:002012-03-05T19:34:13.245-06:00There could be one more option on how they can han...There could be one more option on how they can handle the issue. It's the one I hope they use, and the one I think I've read Trevin say they would use. That would be two try to lay out all sides fairly and let each person decide which makes most sense Biblically.<br /><br />I'm a 4-pointer in a (mainly) 2 point church. When this subject comes up in the Sunday School class I teach, Wade Phillipshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01797870793178905326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-73311089477129424022012-03-05T17:02:46.131-06:002012-03-05T17:02:46.131-06:00Scott,
Bring your youth guy to the SBC meeting so...Scott,<br /><br />Bring your youth guy to the SBC meeting so I can spend some quality time with him! #innoculationBart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-70280245518280529772012-03-05T17:02:09.655-06:002012-03-05T17:02:09.655-06:00Adam,
A shallow cultural reference, like most of ...Adam,<br /><br />A shallow cultural reference, like most of my preaching.Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-86420029757557431442012-03-05T16:36:11.730-06:002012-03-05T16:36:11.730-06:00Bart,
Thank you for your thoughtful non-accusator...Bart,<br /><br />Thank you for your thoughtful non-accusatory, non-incendiary approach to discussing this new curriculum. <br /><br />As you might guess, I am seriously considering we have classes utilize this material. Our newly called (like as of last night)Youth Pastor, who considers himself non-Calvinist (at this point O:-) ) has shared with me that he is interested in potentially using it inScott Gordonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12557513032999366380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-15728718762184346782012-03-05T16:32:08.536-06:002012-03-05T16:32:08.536-06:00Good comments and all, but I just really appreciat...Good comments and all, but I just really appreciate the Seinfeld reference! -AdamAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-76060183642995790112012-03-05T16:26:39.799-06:002012-03-05T16:26:39.799-06:00D.R.,
Your points are well-taken. That could be a...D.R.,<br /><br />Your points are well-taken. That could be a successful approach. Perhaps that is the direction that they have taken. It is not an approach that I anticipated in the original post. Thanks for adding that helpful possibility.Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-23410772287087669822012-03-05T16:16:51.342-06:002012-03-05T16:16:51.342-06:00Bart,
First, let me say that this is probably th...Bart, <br /><br />First, let me say that this is probably the most even-handed, respectful article written so far about the LifeWay material from a non-Calvinist viewpoint. I appreciate your irenic tone and your willingness to concede that even if this material is Calvinistic in nature, that it is really no skin off of the SBC's (or more rightly, LifeWay's) back to produce it.<br /><br /D.R.https://www.blogger.com/profile/11588838898962876640noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-52928861391665252922012-03-05T16:16:00.134-06:002012-03-05T16:16:00.134-06:00Matt, Trevin says, if I understand him correctly, ...Matt, Trevin says, if I understand him correctly, that he is an Amyraldian. That's a four-pointer. That fits into my definition of Calvinism. As I said, if you're only as Calvinistic as John Calvin was, I'm willing to call you a Calvinist! ;-)Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-31398290593649372562012-03-05T16:10:30.968-06:002012-03-05T16:10:30.968-06:00I do appreciate this post, Bart.
One thing I sti...I do appreciate this post, Bart. <br /><br />One thing I still have trouble with is that people seem to keep overlooking that Trevin Wax has consistently stated he is not a Calvinist. <br /><br />If I was Wax and I was in his position I certainly wouldnt be aiming to publish such a robust calvinist curriculum that many seem to think The Gospel Project will be. <br /><br />But as you said, even ifMatt Svobodahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10452847443033498248noreply@blogger.com