tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post968019879784919947..comments2023-10-19T10:34:33.030-05:00Comments on Praisegod Barebones: SBC Preview PostBart Barberhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comBlogger51125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-45220702467191607212009-06-20T08:11:39.032-05:002009-06-20T08:11:39.032-05:00You won't find anything on the internet about ...You won't find anything on the internet about SWBYC. That's by intent.<br /><br />The pastor was Mary Wilson of Church of the Savior (ABC) in Austin.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-90163360595474625222009-06-20T01:39:15.883-05:002009-06-20T01:39:15.883-05:00Anonymous -
Who is the lesbian pastor? Give us ...Anonymous - <br /><br />Who is the lesbian pastor? Give us a name and a link to the site, I could not find it.<br /><br />Chris CChrisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-70886175730285044452009-06-19T19:13:59.411-05:002009-06-19T19:13:59.411-05:00On the subject of Broadway Baptist Church:
Broadw...On the subject of Broadway Baptist Church:<br /><br />Broadway's youth just returned from summer camp with the South West Baptist Youth Camp Association.<br /><br />The camp pastor was a lesbian.<br /><br />Broadway needs to own up to it's acceptance of homosexuality. As it is, that church is living a lie (probably several).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-24921733972013620662009-06-17T16:15:57.535-05:002009-06-17T16:15:57.535-05:00Tom Parker,
I may just make a motion at the SBC f...Tom Parker,<br /><br />I may just make a motion at the SBC for you personally to be removed from the convention.<br /><br />I once made that motion about a President of the United States. I might as well make it for a disgruntled ole liberal like you.<br /><br />When are you going to cowboy up about lying and being just down right mean and seething with rude behavior and such?<br /><br />That is CB Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02230652312241919771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-36186988403337995412009-06-17T12:09:51.069-05:002009-06-17T12:09:51.069-05:00All this concern over 1 Book.
Doesn't the SBC...All this concern over 1 Book.<br /><br />Doesn't the SBC have more important matters to concern itself with?<br /><br />Such as the continued decline.Tom Parkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12861689101266081092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-31788997810496854792009-06-17T11:21:27.965-05:002009-06-17T11:21:27.965-05:00Brother CB,
According to Dr. Smyrl, Dr. Rainer wa...Brother CB,<br /><br />According to Dr. Smyrl, Dr. Rainer was approached by him personally. It seems, and I believe I am remembering the story correct from Dr. Smyrl's blog, Dr. Smyrl was given assurance that his concerns were heard. That is the reason there was no motion at last year's convention. It seems that this concern was expressed to Dr. Rainer along with Trustees last year.<brTim Rogershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02909751217844312917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-20953144850235176132009-06-17T08:41:22.761-05:002009-06-17T08:41:22.761-05:00Bart,
I understand your position. And I would vot...Bart,<br /><br />I understand your position. And I would vote in the same manner as would you.<br /><br />My point about the trustees was just to point out that if they were approached by several concerned Southern Baptists as were we back when Hinn's books were the problem I think they would handle it in the same manner.<br /><br />cbCB Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02230652312241919771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-8443278061252580392009-06-17T08:00:24.041-05:002009-06-17T08:00:24.041-05:00Brother Bart,
Now I am confused. Does Broadway Ba...Brother Bart,<br /><br />Now I am confused. Does Broadway Baptist Church <b>currently</b> have members serving in high-ranking committee assignments within the BGCT?<br /><br />Regardless the answer, they should be removed... just trying to get the facts straight here.<br /><br />Peace to you brother,<br />From the Middle EastFrom the Middle Easthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07509281349717741174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-31674070913497997842009-06-17T07:34:21.027-05:002009-06-17T07:34:21.027-05:00Bart -
Granted,in Texas Baptist life (SBTC and B...Bart - <br /><br />Granted,in Texas Baptist life (SBTC and BGCT) the convention that moves slower on these issues is the BGCT. I can't say why a church (BGCT or SBTC) has not taken action within the TBA. There are certainyl scores of SBTC churches within the TBA that could have taken action to disfellowship Broadway and have not done so. <br /><br />Could it be that convention mindedness is Jakenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-64456585350660132622009-06-17T00:37:54.910-05:002009-06-17T00:37:54.910-05:00CB,
The demands of academia must have slackened s...CB,<br /><br />The demands of academia must have slackened somewhat. It is good to see you back out among the brethren. Like you, I would prefer to see the trustees handle this. But, if my choices were to vote for or to vote against a motion decrying the Shack, I'd vote in favor. That's all I'm saying.Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-17943104264725908132009-06-17T00:35:20.275-05:002009-06-17T00:35:20.275-05:00Jake,
The relationship between the BGCT and Broad...Jake,<br /><br />The relationship between the BGCT and Broadway Baptist Church is not one of the effects of my differences with the BGCT; it is one of the causes.<br /><br />Look, Jake, if you want to put forward the case that the Texas Baptist Committed crowd no longer has any prominent influence in the BGCT, be my guest. I'm sure that everyone will be glad to evaluate your evidence on its Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-5517722467069915022009-06-16T22:51:47.114-05:002009-06-16T22:51:47.114-05:00Joe -
You said, "If Lifeway is going to clai...Joe -<br /><br />You said, "If Lifeway is going to claim to sell Biblical solutions for life then it has no business shilling that [The Shack] book." Is this book really that dangerous? I know some conservative people who seemed to filter out the problematic parts and get a lot out of the book. Also, whose definition of dangerous do we use? I would not sell the "Left Behind" Tony Maldanadonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-16841142277386998862009-06-16T21:53:27.386-05:002009-06-16T21:53:27.386-05:00Bart -
Just because Broadway has a past history ...Bart - <br /><br />Just because Broadway has a past history of leadership does not mean that it is presently in leadership. I believe that your argument is based on a false premise in order to once again smear the BGCT. The fact that you are doing this knowingly means that you are engagin in mud slinging, not theology.<br /><br />Jake StarrJakenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-86245341869648411172009-06-16T21:48:45.376-05:002009-06-16T21:48:45.376-05:00Bart -
Exactly how is Broadway Baptist church in...Bart - <br /><br />Exactly how is Broadway Baptist church in "prominent leadership in the BGCT?" <br /><br />Jake StarrJakenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-35187010512956759262009-06-16T21:16:48.531-05:002009-06-16T21:16:48.531-05:00Back in the late 80's I made a motion at the B...Back in the late 80's I made a motion at the BSSB (Now LifeWay) to remove all Benny Hinn books from all of our stores. That motion passed with little or no opposition.<br /><br />I am certain the trustees of LifeWay can handle the book in question without it coming to the floor of the SBC and some using that to"feather" their nests with more "goose feathers."<br /><br />cbCB Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02230652312241919771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-50566172488378875692009-06-16T17:45:44.126-05:002009-06-16T17:45:44.126-05:00Joe and Tom:
Or, we can recognize that like a lot...Joe and Tom:<br /><br />Or, we can recognize that like a lot of other books at LifeWay, a bunch of us think that they should be sold there, and a bunch of us think that they should not, and that it may not be the best policy for the messegners meeting at one convention to start opining book by book which ones were good picks and which ones were bad picks.<br /><br />Maybe the better solution is Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-49538121618449074592009-06-16T17:42:52.284-05:002009-06-16T17:42:52.284-05:00Tom,
I do realize that, and we actually agree. Th...Tom,<br /><br />I do realize that, and we actually agree. That's why I am not planning to introduce any sort of a motion regarding The Shack. If you'll go back and read the thread, you'll see that it was not my idea to discuss a motion regarding The Shack.<br /><br />But, when Louis brought it up, I said that if someone else introduced such a motion, I would vote whichever way is Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-6633764121316109052009-06-16T16:36:19.081-05:002009-06-16T16:36:19.081-05:00Joe:
OK we can disagree.Joe:<br /><br />OK we can disagree.Tom Parkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12861689101266081092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-81293896916860840362009-06-16T16:31:58.059-05:002009-06-16T16:31:58.059-05:00Tom
It shouldn't matter if (and that is if) d...Tom<br /><br />It shouldn't matter if (and that is if) doing so would give the book more publicity. If Lifeway is going to claim to sell Biblical solutions for life then it has no business shilling that book. They should acknowledge they were wrong and pull it from their stores. People that want to buy it can go to Bookland or wherever.Joe Blackmonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05609279285784683781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-62490834110625506252009-06-16T15:26:39.823-05:002009-06-16T15:26:39.823-05:00Bart:
Do you realize if The Shack comes up at the...Bart:<br /><br />Do you realize if The Shack comes up at the SBC it will just give more attention to the Book and increase its sales.<br /><br />Probably a show about the SBC and The Shack on the Larry King Show, etc.<br /><br />You sure you want to give the book some free publicity and people curious run out and buy it.<br /><br />Just something to think about.Tom Parkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12861689101266081092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-47636269224835880572009-06-16T15:19:16.952-05:002009-06-16T15:19:16.952-05:00These are people who do not acknowledge that homos...<i>These are people who do not acknowledge that homosexuality is a sin in the first place and who are making no effort whatsoever to be anything other than homosexuals. There is no repentance, no contrition, and no attempt at holiness in this part of their lives.</i> <br /><br />This is the issue that I am most curious to see the outcome of--how will the leadership of the convention respond toJoe Blackmonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05609279285784683781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-87980789442201231182009-06-16T14:55:26.902-05:002009-06-16T14:55:26.902-05:00Louis,
I agree that we should behave graciously t...Louis,<br /><br />I agree that we should behave graciously toward Lifeway, and I also agree that Lifeway plays an important role in our convention. However, criticism plays an important role in bettering any ministry. If a motion is forthcoming to shut the doors of Lifeway because they sell the Shack, then I would not be voting in favor of that motion.<br /><br />But if an opportunity comes to Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-5538390366786797432009-06-16T14:47:01.657-05:002009-06-16T14:47:01.657-05:00Continued:
Also, I can see a strategy employed ...Continued: <br /><br />Also, I can see a strategy employed in which some books that we might not agree with can be displayed and paired with other books that have counter-arguments and put in the read with discernment program. So, we could actually have an opportunity to shape what people think about a book that is a best seller.<br /><br />But, as you can see from my limited examples, this getsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-30074667274181833612009-06-16T14:45:35.224-05:002009-06-16T14:45:35.224-05:00Bart:
Thanks for your thoughts on the Shack.
I r...Bart:<br /><br />Thanks for your thoughts on the Shack.<br /><br />I respectfully suggest that before you commit so strongly to vote for something in advance, that you might consider at least examining closely what you are voting for, as you rightfully did the GCR document. <br /><br />Procedurally, a "motion" that LifeWay not sell The Shack, seems to be out of order. I do not believeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-82509890914875989992009-06-16T11:47:07.208-05:002009-06-16T11:47:07.208-05:00Wade,
I think that, unlike some other matters we ...Wade,<br /><br />I think that, unlike some other matters we have discussed down through the years, the matter of teaching while a trustee or not teaching while a trustee is a matter not addressed directly by the Bible. I'm prepared to regard the question as "tertiary." ;-)<br /><br />But, as to my own conscience, yes, I believe that it would be a conflict of interest for me to serveBart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.com