tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post1961906723511446350..comments2023-10-19T10:34:33.030-05:00Comments on Praisegod Barebones: An Errant Bible: The Gateway HeresyBart Barberhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comBlogger78125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-43368110080338244962015-03-10T12:26:19.728-05:002015-03-10T12:26:19.728-05:00Almost all Christian doctrines are based on the Ne...Almost all Christian doctrines are based on the New Testament of the Bible. But, how do Christians know that these 27 books are the inerrant, inspired words of God, as Christians tell us?<br /><br />Answer: A bunch of fallible, scientifically illiterate Churchmen in the second, third, and fourth centuries said so! That's it!<br /><br />When and where did God say that a bunch of old Garyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02519721717265344702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-62835103607288489312010-03-11T16:24:16.729-06:002010-03-11T16:24:16.729-06:00I want to comment reg. “inerrant Bible”
First som...I want to comment reg. “inerrant Bible”<br /><br />First some important information: A analysis (found here: www.netzarim.co.il (that is the only legitimate Netzarim)) of all extant source documents and archaeology using a rational and logical methodology analyzing the “gospel of Matthew” proves that the historical Ribi Yehosuha ha-Mashiakh (the Messiah) from Nazareth and his talmidim (Anders Branderudhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15696376904417632753noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-38672104791090919972009-10-31T12:55:22.961-05:002009-10-31T12:55:22.961-05:00Anon,
That's an interesting question. I don&...Anon,<br /><br />That's an interesting question. I don't think it would or could, really. I mean, the church I currently go to believes that Genesis chapters 1-11 are as historically accurate as any other historical narrative in the Bible. I would suspect that someone who believes in evolution who came into a church that didn't would probably decide before too long that "Woah,Joe Blackmonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05609279285784683781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-45178710993413435552009-10-31T11:20:07.190-05:002009-10-31T11:20:07.190-05:00Thanks Mr. Blackmon,
Can I ask you another questi...Thanks Mr. Blackmon,<br /> Can I ask you another question?<br /> If a belief in evolution excludes one from being an inerrantist, does it also exclude one from being a member of your church? Should it exclude one from membership in your church?<br />An interested non Babtist.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-70361117264275713452009-10-31T08:15:44.184-05:002009-10-31T08:15:44.184-05:00How about someone who believes that God did speak ...<i>How about someone who believes that God did speak the world into existence out of nothing, but also believes that Man did evolve from some primordial soup? Is a belief in inerrancy wide enough to cover someone who believes that Adam and Eve are allegorical? Can an allegory be a inerrant way of delivering truth?</i> <br /><br />I would say that someone who belived in evolution did not Joe Blackmonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05609279285784683781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-75501972630171151462009-10-31T08:11:05.096-05:002009-10-31T08:11:05.096-05:00Perhaps the Apostle Paul's treatment of "...<i>Perhaps the Apostle Paul's treatment of "disputable things" in Rom. 14 speaks to this in the minds of folks like Jim Denison, who himself exhibits in practice a high view of Scripture, but thinks inerrancy becomes excessively divisive.</i> <br /><br />If he does not believe in inerrancy, he does not have a high view of scripture.Joe Blackmonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05609279285784683781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-78446583601161687132009-10-30T15:29:32.081-05:002009-10-30T15:29:32.081-05:00Ever wonder whether first-century Christians requi...Ever wonder whether first-century Christians required someone to confess belief in inerrancy as a requirement for membership (good standing) in their congregation?<br /><br />I don't find in the NT adherence to inerrancy as a primary criteria or necessary requirement for Christians to fellowship together. I think we err in elevating adherence to this belief as necessary for church membershipAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-91400143574146090902009-10-30T10:41:03.466-05:002009-10-30T10:41:03.466-05:00No one wants to admit to a "slippery slope,&q...No one wants to admit to a "slippery slope," but sometimes one exists. Clark Pinnock has ridden a slippery slope to heresy. <br />If Adam and Eve are allegorical figures, what does Romans mean "by one man sin entered the world," and is it also allegorical that the death of one man paid the price for many?<br />I just looked again at my copy of the "Preceedings of the Steve Younghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04858156317482625056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-6493522229842395092009-10-29T22:26:09.339-05:002009-10-29T22:26:09.339-05:00Bart,
This is one of the best defenses, definitio...Bart,<br /><br />This is one of the best defenses, definitions of biblical inerrancy I have ever seen. It very clearly states the case for those of us who believe we serve an inerrant (omnipotent, omnipresent, and omniscient) God. The specific word "inerrant" is simply the latest word to describe the Bible as it has been believed and taught by godly men and women for generations. It'Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-75526301475062731532009-10-29T14:16:42.226-05:002009-10-29T14:16:42.226-05:00Joe Blackmon,
As an interested non Baptist I appr...Joe Blackmon,<br /> As an interested non Baptist I appreciate the straight forward way you answer questions.<br /> When you talk about room in the SBC for people with certain beliefs do you include only leadership positions or do you include membership in your churches? Obviously any voter or executive deciding on a candidate for elected office or for employment should use their own life Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-46473702882564834002009-10-29T13:17:21.429-05:002009-10-29T13:17:21.429-05:00This is one of the best defenses of inerrancy that...This is one of the best defenses of inerrancy that I've seen online; great job, Bart.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03540790360133280664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-84853606799469456122009-10-29T12:45:06.232-05:002009-10-29T12:45:06.232-05:00inerrancy frres free from error and that includes ...inerrancy frres free from error and that includes history the cosmos, man and science.If I as a father wrote to my son three sentences which one would be less inerrant than the other one<br />1 I love you<br />2 love you more than<br />3)i love more than the<br /><br />Clearly here there are textual variants but of course christianity fortunately is not a religion only it is a relationship<br />David Muirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01634440184792658202noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-7584319771408251452009-10-29T12:43:13.904-05:002009-10-29T12:43:13.904-05:00Anon 12:06 PM
If you want to believe the way you ...Anon 12:06 PM<br /><br />If you want to believe the way you believe, you would be welcomed with open arms in a Cooperate-with-anyone Baptist Fellowship church. I suggest you go there.Joe Blackmonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05609279285784683781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-82959613420907533232009-10-29T12:06:47.979-05:002009-10-29T12:06:47.979-05:00Mr. Barber:
I believe that "bapticus heritic...Mr. Barber:<br /><br />I believe that "bapticus heriticus"'s response is theologically and philosophically better than anything that I could say.<br /><br />However, as a layman, I understand things much more simply.<br /><br />It seems to me that your contention is "The Bible is inerrant".<br /><br />Based upon what I have been taught, "inerrant" means "Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-80899710325945590592009-10-29T11:22:13.540-05:002009-10-29T11:22:13.540-05:00I would say that Inerrancy refers to a view or/and...I would say that Inerrancy refers to a view or/and statement regarding the quality and source of the document in question.Therefore if God is the author of the Bible and God is truth (He says He is)ie not only to who and what He is but tells the truth to us about the universe and its form,about the source and mannishness of man,his nobility and his cruelty,is telling the truth regarding David Muirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01634440184792658202noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-32201530889051000942009-10-29T11:18:51.990-05:002009-10-29T11:18:51.990-05:00I would say that Inerrancy refers to the quality a...I would say that Inerrancy refers to the quality and source of the dcument in question.Therefore if God is the author and God is truth ie not only to who and what he is but tells the truth about the universe and its form,about the mannishness of man,his nobility and his cruelty,is true regarding History,science,the cosmos,etc.If he is a liar it does not matter what terminology one uses,Christ hasDavid Muirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01634440184792658202noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-14707077521232994272009-10-29T08:47:49.733-05:002009-10-29T08:47:49.733-05:00r.granneman:
Thanks for the reply.
I know that y...r.granneman:<br /><br />Thanks for the reply.<br /><br />I know that you are out of town, but still wanted to post something to you. Hope you have a nice trip.<br /><br />We'll pick up on the issues another day.<br /><br />Take care.<br /><br />LouisAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-87156966592162126342009-10-29T08:41:46.695-05:002009-10-29T08:41:46.695-05:00Joe,
Concerning develpment of the OT text I quote...Joe,<br /><br />Concerning develpment of the OT text I quote R.E. Harrison in his Introduction to the Old Testament (considered a champion of conservative scholarship) pp 219-220:<br /><br />"From the evidence presented by the Qumran discoveries it appears that there were at least three distinct types of Biblical text in circulation among the Jews of the Second Commonwealth (i.e the time of r. grannemannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06634508382376106171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-75896273484071834252009-10-29T08:25:18.038-05:002009-10-29T08:25:18.038-05:00Louis,
I think I agree with what you are saying a...Louis,<br /><br />I think I agree with what you are saying about needed agreement for cooperation; my piece was just summary (or maybe a rant) of reasons (without arguing my points) of why your "side" isn't thinking correctly about the issues (I would put a smiley face here if I could remember how to do it).<br /><br />Concerning abortion, my more recent thinking is that the Bible r. grannemannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06634508382376106171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-41831835967359309192009-10-29T07:54:55.542-05:002009-10-29T07:54:55.542-05:00Bart: Inerrancy is not idolatry. If I leave a note...Bart: <i>Inerrancy is not idolatry. If I leave a note for my son asking him to complete certain chores, he does not have to choose between having regard for me or having regard for the message that I sent to him. My message, having been written by me, is something that I expect him to respect just as he respects me. To place an artificial cleavage between God and what God has told us is bapticus hereticushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04526321800594075557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-91735497743364181222009-10-28T20:37:33.109-05:002009-10-28T20:37:33.109-05:00Anonymous,
Inerrancy is not idolatry. If I leave...Anonymous, <br /><br />Inerrancy is not idolatry. If I leave a note for my son asking him to complete certain chores, he does not have to choose between having regard for me or having regard for the message that I sent to him. My message, having been written by me, is something that I expect him to respect just as he respects me. To place an artificial cleavage between God and what God has told Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-49225510310108283522009-10-28T15:52:24.311-05:002009-10-28T15:52:24.311-05:00Denison makes a very detailed argument. But I don&...Denison makes a very detailed argument. But I don't think it passes even a common sense test. If someone tells me that something has errors, flaws or contradictions,I am not going to view it as trustworthy. You can slice and dice and parse those words however you want, but I am not trusting it.Rich Snoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-88480757151454281282009-10-28T15:39:12.555-05:002009-10-28T15:39:12.555-05:00bapticus hereticus: Anonymous, your October 28, 20...bapticus hereticus: Anonymous, your October 28, 2009 1:50 PM post is very well said and would likely be supported by many, many baptists, SBCers included. Thanks.<br /><br />There are a number of conceptual issues concerning the notion of inerrancy; among them is what qualifies as an original autograph. That should keep folks occupied for a good many years; however, we know the outcome: "ughbapticus hereticushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04526321800594075557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-79375544541505026372009-10-28T15:14:33.317-05:002009-10-28T15:14:33.317-05:00So forgive me if I think that in spite of the prob...<i>So forgive me if I think that in spite of the problems facing the BGCT, it is the only hope for us "liberals" who still believe in the power of Jesus to save and think of ourselves as free-church Baptists.</i> <br /><br />And by "free church" you mean "free of doctrinal accountability".Joe Blackmonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05609279285784683781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-5024137524303026452009-10-28T14:53:39.154-05:002009-10-28T14:53:39.154-05:00Is there room in the SBC today for
Let's ...<i>Is there room in the SBC today for</i> <br /><br />Let's take these one at a time:<br /><i>anyone who believes the development of the OT obscures the identity and sometimes authorship of the original text</i> <br /><br />Nope.<br /><br /><i>, or that a 3 hour old embryo "might" not yet have a soul,</i> <br /><br />Most definitely not.<br /><br /><i> or that 20th century Joe Blackmonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05609279285784683781noreply@blogger.com