tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post2173248414166764204..comments2023-10-19T10:34:33.030-05:00Comments on Praisegod Barebones: On Being the ChurchBart Barberhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-86742072487081117612009-05-04T07:39:00.000-05:002009-05-04T07:39:00.000-05:00Brother Bart,
I am sorry to have missed this post...Brother Bart,<br /><br />I am sorry to have missed this post while it was still simmering. But, I like the subject and I think you bring up an interesting point.<br /><br />It seems that Pastors will try all sorts of stunts, things, etc. to try to move their folks off the bench and into the game. Even though scripture is clear that the church are the people of God, it has been at a minimum in Chris Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09477874901216715726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-68119352079796830452009-04-29T11:03:00.000-05:002009-04-29T11:03:00.000-05:00Brother David (007),
Thank you for the clarificat...Brother David (007),<br /><br />Thank you for the clarification. And to answer your question(s):<br /><br />yup.<br /><br />Peace to you brother,<br />From the Middle EastFrom the Middle Easthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07509281349717741174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-82582082342616805052009-04-29T10:28:00.000-05:002009-04-29T10:28:00.000-05:00FTME,
Would you say that the Church should gather...FTME,<br /><br />Would you say that the Church should gather and worship together? Should the Church gather to hear the Word of God preached and taught?<br /><br />And, yes, as I said, I do believe that the Church is also about relationships. We are to prefer one another, pray for one another, love each other, etc. And, I have led the Churches that I've been the Pastor of to do community volfan007https://www.blogger.com/profile/15635929001030697924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-74638423818082245832009-04-29T10:12:00.000-05:002009-04-29T10:12:00.000-05:00Brother David (007),
You said:
"the book does say...Brother David (007),<br /><br />You said:<br />"the book does say that Church is not about sitting in a pew looking at the back of people's heads. It's about relationships and living life. Church is you and me, out there, in the world, living life and developing relationships. It's not about worshipping together, and hearing the Word of God preached and taught. It's about us going out there and From the Middle Easthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07509281349717741174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-13650045813735298792009-04-29T09:13:00.000-05:002009-04-29T09:13:00.000-05:00Debbie,
The Shack is so full of errors and heresi...Debbie,<br /><br />The Shack is so full of errors and heresies that it's not just a bad book, it's a horrible book. I read it, and I found 18 Scriptural errors and heresies in it. I found everything from universalism to denial that the miracles show that Jesus is God to saying that Jesus is not the only way to Heaven. I found in this book extreme errors in theology concerning God punishing sin.volfan007https://www.blogger.com/profile/15635929001030697924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-18193518954477880142009-04-28T21:16:00.000-05:002009-04-28T21:16:00.000-05:00David: You must have read(or not read) a different...David: You must have read(or not read) a different version of the Shack than I did by a different author, because that is not what is being promoted. <br /><br />You can go to church and not have a relationship with either Christ or others and going to church would mean nothing. It is about relationship. It's both, being the church and going to church. But I see the former as something the Bible Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-59189625659174521852009-04-28T14:21:00.000-05:002009-04-28T14:21:00.000-05:00Bart,
Amen.
Jeremy,
I was not comparing communi...Bart,<br /><br />Amen.<br /><br />Jeremy,<br /><br />I was not comparing community service instead of worship to "The Shack." I was just saying that the concept of being the Church thru relationships and living life, instead of going to Church, is promoted in "The Shack." And, since "The Shack" is so popular amongst Christians, for some odd reason, then maybe that idea came from this book? Or,volfan007https://www.blogger.com/profile/15635929001030697924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-37664502154674171912009-04-28T13:46:00.000-05:002009-04-28T13:46:00.000-05:00Jeremy,
I meandered a bit. Let me reiterate my ma...Jeremy,<br /><br />I meandered a bit. Let me reiterate my main point with specific regard to your comment. Let me do so by illustration:<br /><br />Group of People A: Gets together on Sunday and does community service projects.<br /><br />Group of People B: Gets together on Sunday to worship, study the Bible, encourage and exhort one another, and fulfill the "one anothers" of the New Testament.<Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-64958552959995866362009-04-28T13:40:00.000-05:002009-04-28T13:40:00.000-05:00Jeremy Roberts,
Thanks for adding to the conversa...Jeremy Roberts,<br /><br />Thanks for adding to the conversation here. To make certain that you understand what I am saying:<br /><br />1. I have no problem with a church making some alteration to its normal schedule of Sunday worship to do something exceptional. We do that sometimes. That's not the point.<br /><br />2. I have no problem with a church performing acts of community service. We Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-7105918859580567992009-04-28T13:33:00.000-05:002009-04-28T13:33:00.000-05:00Bart -
While I have not commented on a blog in qui...Bart -<br />While I have not commented on a blog in quite some time, I feel the need to comment here. Two Sundays ago, the church I have the opportunity to serve as pastor here in the Knoxville area conducted "Reverse Church: From Going to Church to Being the Church."<br /><br />As our church typically does not have Sunday evening services, we conducted Reverse Church on a Sunday morning, and Jeremy Robertshttp://www.jeremyroberts.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-21848086127614231092009-04-28T11:55:00.000-05:002009-04-28T11:55:00.000-05:00Bart,
The book "The Shack" really promotes what y...Bart,<br /><br />The book "The Shack" really promotes what you are saying here, about being the Church, rather than going to Church. Maybe that's where this idea is floating around from. Sadly, many Christians are reading this book, and our Lifeway Stores are selling it. This book is full of Biblical errors and heresies, from universalism to denying the Trinity, to God being submissive to volfan007https://www.blogger.com/profile/15635929001030697924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-12486206480994730302009-04-27T23:14:00.000-05:002009-04-27T23:14:00.000-05:00I thank each of you for your thoughtful comments, ...I thank each of you for your thoughtful comments, especially Dr. Rauschenbusch, whom I did not know to frequent my blog! ;-)<br /><br />I want to reiterate something important at this juncture in the comments: I am not opposed to the conducting of community service projects. Rather, I differ with suggesting that a congregation has begun to "be the church" rather than "go to church&Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-32589433373021340982009-04-27T16:47:00.000-05:002009-04-27T16:47:00.000-05:00Bart: ... to build more of an Old Testament social...Bart: ... to build more of an Old Testament social movement than a New Testament church. Starting off each morning with a daily passage of Rauschenbusch would go much further in building such a mindset than would a daily encounter with Acts.<br /><br />bapticus hereticus:<br /><br />"Prayer for the Church" <br /><br />"O God, we pray for thy Church, which is set today amid the perplexities of a bapticus hereticushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14313104957715780200noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-20079462425249966762009-04-27T16:19:00.000-05:002009-04-27T16:19:00.000-05:00Bart,
There appears to be some movement somewhere ...Bart,<br />There appears to be some movement somewhere for this has occured in several different sates etc.<br /><br />You raise some great questions and some great thoughts. My first perspective is that in these events, if the Gospel is being shared, then the church is "being the church". <br /><br />From several scenerios I have seen though, the usual effect is that they simply accomplish Tim Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10885623376514366024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-52802098221353166712009-04-27T10:04:00.000-05:002009-04-27T10:04:00.000-05:00Also, my son has that t-shirt. one side says, "Do...Also, my son has that t-shirt. one side says, "Don't go to church." the other side says "Be the church." <br /><br />It seems kind of cool, but I have never really understood it.Dave Millerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01637750764381837761noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-56910022841254676382009-04-27T10:03:00.000-05:002009-04-27T10:03:00.000-05:00Is your covenant available online? Or could someo...Is your covenant available online? Or could someone send a donation to the Bart Barber Evangelistic Association and get one in the mail? <br /><br />It is something I've been considering.Dave Millerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01637750764381837761noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-66799491065210444412009-04-27T09:11:00.000-05:002009-04-27T09:11:00.000-05:00Bart,
I guess my question would be, "Why could th...Bart,<br /><br />I guess my question would be, "Why could they have not done this on a Saturday?" I mean, why pick Sunday? Or, at least, have morning worship, and then do this on Sunday late afternoon, or evening. We do have a lot of daylight left at the end of the day. <br /><br />I suspect they called off worship, because this would be the only time that people would give to do such a thingvolfan007https://www.blogger.com/profile/15635929001030697924noreply@blogger.com