tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post4577386224614525014..comments2023-10-19T10:34:33.030-05:00Comments on Praisegod Barebones: On Creation CareBart Barberhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comBlogger39125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-41297850200308346802008-05-28T18:39:00.000-05:002008-05-28T18:39:00.000-05:00Peace, everyone. I'm hugging a tree right now, an...Peace, everyone. I'm hugging a tree right now, and I'm demanding that the town of Cooterville water it every day. Come and join with me. I also have some puppies with me that some mean man wanted to exterminate down at the dog pound. I call on all my PETA brothers and sisters to come down and help me fight the "man." Also, could someone bring some puppy chow. These puppies are hungry, and Ivolfan007https://www.blogger.com/profile/15635929001030697924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-21090248427886596092008-05-28T15:38:00.000-05:002008-05-28T15:38:00.000-05:00Wayne,Thank you for the continued stream of men's ...Wayne,<BR/><BR/>Thank you for the continued stream of men's opinions.Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-66172405445161959872008-05-28T14:19:00.000-05:002008-05-28T14:19:00.000-05:00Bart,Title: Hard Sayings of the Bible Author: ...Bart,Title: Hard Sayings of the Bible <BR/>Author: Brauch, Manfred T., Bruce, F.F., Davids, Peter H., and Kaiser, Peter <BR/>H. Jr. <BR/> <BR/>EXPLOITING NATURE? <BR/>(GENESIS 1:28) <BR/>Does the blessing pronounced by God in Genesis 1 encourage us, the human <BR/>race, to treat the environment in any way we choose? Is the present ecological <BR/>imbalance observed in so many parts of the Wayne Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14218244632682134340noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-36892259369861361292008-05-28T11:35:00.000-05:002008-05-28T11:35:00.000-05:00Bart and Alan,God Created a Perfect World which wa...Bart and Alan,<BR/><BR/>God Created a Perfect World which was in Balance and placed Man in charge. God gave man self-will and man has exercised it in making a Mess of God’s Creation. God has allowed man to cause an Imbalance in His Creation and we are having to pay the CONSEQUENCES .<BR/><BR/>GENESIS 1:26-31 <BR/>Stewardship, Management—All of creation is God’s work and reflects His character. Wayne Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14218244632682134340noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-40300031711397815012008-05-28T10:51:00.000-05:002008-05-28T10:51:00.000-05:00Alan,You said: "It seems that, when possible, a st...Alan,<BR/><BR/>You said: "It seems that, when possible, a stewardship of God's Creation is a positive act as God's people."<BR/><BR/>I agree with that.<BR/><BR/>I think that the Bible might very well imply that.<BR/><BR/>I'm simply saying that the Bible doesn't come right out and say that.Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-86529940785954227422008-05-27T23:47:00.000-05:002008-05-27T23:47:00.000-05:00Bart,You state your case well and I am digesting y...Bart,<BR/><BR/>You state your case well and I am digesting your argument. <BR/><BR/>I would disagree in saying that the Bible speaks a great deal about the majesty of God's Creation. God's glory is displayed through it in many ways. The Psalms tell us that again and again. It seems that, when possible, a stewardship of God's Creation is a positive act as God's people. God created everything in Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-28368341126098906182008-05-27T23:11:00.000-05:002008-05-27T23:11:00.000-05:00Alan,Yes, it has been invigorating. Perhaps it is ...Alan,<BR/><BR/>Yes, it has been invigorating. Perhaps it is Wade's departure that frees us all to talk about other things. That was Nathan's speculation somewhere, I think. Or maybe it was Tim Rogers's. I forget.<BR/><BR/>OK, back to the Bible.<BR/><BR/>Genesis 1:28 says we are to subdue and rule.<BR/><BR/>Genesis 2:15 says that Adam was to labor (עבד…I'm not sure whetherBart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-80147990915781359362008-05-27T22:55:00.000-05:002008-05-27T22:55:00.000-05:00Bart, but it IS addressed in the Bible. You listed...Bart, but it IS addressed in the Bible. You listed one place. I listed another in Genesis 2:15. I would also posit that Psalm 24:1 has some pertinent implications. <BR/><BR/>But, thank you for explaining from whence you derive your Christian worldview. I understand better and accept your answer. <BR/><BR/>And, by the way, I have thoroughly enjoyed our debate tonight on a couple of fronts. I miss Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-14193404883500871142008-05-27T22:42:00.000-05:002008-05-27T22:42:00.000-05:00Wayne,Someday you and I are going to have to sit d...Wayne,<BR/><BR/>Someday you and I are going to have to sit down so I can show you that little line in your Bible that demarcates where sacred writ ends and somebody's study notes begins.Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-37500095145276214282008-05-27T22:36:00.000-05:002008-05-27T22:36:00.000-05:00BartDisciples Study Bible Author: GENESIS 1:26...Bart<BR/>Disciples Study Bible <BR/>Author: <BR/> <BR/>GENESIS 1:26-31 <BR/>Stewardship, Management—All of creation is God’s work and reflects His character. Therefore, it is good. All people are special, for He made us in His image to represent Him in the world. As humans, we hold a special place of importance and service in God’s perfect plan. God placed humans in charge of <BR/>His materialI Mitchellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08178461849586733839noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-31982713179151031492008-05-27T22:02:00.000-05:002008-05-27T22:02:00.000-05:00Alan,To be blunt, pithy, and to exemplify rather t...Alan,<BR/><BR/>To be blunt, pithy, and to exemplify rather than define:<BR/><BR/>I will vote for John McCain in November because of a Christian worldview, not because of a command from the Bible.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>The difference is one of proximity. How many steps of philosophizing between the biblical command and my action? For "creation care"? Quite a few. The Bible simply commands no such Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-12026034902735497572008-05-27T21:52:00.000-05:002008-05-27T21:52:00.000-05:00Bart, by toxic I mean harmful or poisionous. How d...Bart, by toxic I mean harmful or poisionous. <BR/><BR/>How do you seperate a Christian worldview from the Bible if it is truly Christian? How can any part of a Christian worldview NOT arise from Scripture and still be considered Christian? It seems that if you admit that caring for the earth arises from a Christian worldview, then you are de facto admitting that the view is Biblical and must Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-35841327669729735612008-05-27T21:07:00.000-05:002008-05-27T21:07:00.000-05:00But again, to clarify, I do think that those thing...But again, to clarify, I do think that those things arise generally out of a Christian worldview.Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-73755752925785402672008-05-27T20:46:00.000-05:002008-05-27T20:46:00.000-05:00Alan,I am against the poisoning of lakes and strea...Alan,<BR/><BR/>I am against the poisoning of lakes and streams, although not necessarily against the placement of "toxic chemicals" into water—the inclusion of the very toxic chemical chlorine into water has, according to one health expert's testimony on a TV show I watched recently, saved more lives in the twentieth century than any other medical advancement.<BR/><BR/>So, I'm against Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-85663149142966506782008-05-27T20:33:00.000-05:002008-05-27T20:33:00.000-05:00Bart,Is it a good thing to dump toxic chemicals in...Bart,<BR/><BR/>Is it a good thing to dump toxic chemicals into our rivers and lakes and kill fish and pollute drinking water? Is it a good thing to pump pollutants into the air making it difficult to breathe? There are some things that are just basic. Whether or not all of this pollution is causing global warming is worthy of debate. Whether or not we should take care of the resources that we Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-26019188170010534952008-05-27T18:29:00.000-05:002008-05-27T18:29:00.000-05:00Wayne said: "Any efforts to 'save' the earth shoul...Wayne said: "Any efforts to 'save' the earth should arise from our worship of its Creator and our knowledge that we are called to responsible stewardship because everything God created is a gift from Him."<BR/><BR/>1. Did God create carbon dioxide?<BR/>2. Did God create the Human Immunodeficiency VIrus?<BR/>3. Did God create plutonium?<BR/>4. Did God create petroleum?<BR/>5. Did God create fire Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-37403922411027983062008-05-27T18:03:00.000-05:002008-05-27T18:03:00.000-05:00David / Volfan007 and BartTitle: The Nelson Stud...David / Volfan007 and Bart<BR/><BR/>Title: The Nelson Study Bible <BR/>Author: <BR/> <BR/>Psalm 104 <BR/>InDepth—Psalms on Creation Psalms 104<BR/>The poets of the Old Testament loved to describe the natural world. Like all people in that ancient time, they lived closer to nature than do most of us. They enjoyed nature’s beautiful and fascinating manifestations. They observed the ways of I Mitchellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08178461849586733839noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-4672068854016321972008-05-27T17:35:00.000-05:002008-05-27T17:35:00.000-05:00Wayne,I have yet to encounter the human being devo...Wayne,<BR/><BR/>I have yet to encounter the human being devoid of pride and perfectly humble. Nathan is a fine man.Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-7957102404663979102008-05-27T17:21:00.000-05:002008-05-27T17:21:00.000-05:00Bart,Nathan is a very Humble Man and not Prideful,...Bart,<BR/><BR/>Nathan is a very Humble Man and not Prideful, wouldn’t you agree?<BR/><BR/>Wayne SmithI Mitchellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08178461849586733839noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-45842782831127256382008-05-27T16:44:00.000-05:002008-05-27T16:44:00.000-05:00Debbie,I didn't say that he had changed his mind. ...Debbie,<BR/><BR/>I didn't say that he had changed his mind. I said that he acknowledged that he had overstepped himself. Offered, you know, for the sake of truth in information.Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-20765577304740276852008-05-27T15:31:00.000-05:002008-05-27T15:31:00.000-05:00Debbie, I would agree that we ought to consider al...<I>Debbie, I would agree that we ought to consider all things in making the wisest choices, and to live in the best way...but, for some to talk as if it's sinful to not be involved in environmental causes is a legalistic, Pharasaical approach. Dont you agree?</I><BR/><BR/>david: I am sorry I just now saw this. You are absolutely right in your statement. I would totally agree. <BR/><BR/>Now you Debbie Kaufmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17748664558802779885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-57148714297853489772008-05-27T15:27:00.000-05:002008-05-27T15:27:00.000-05:00He meaning Nathan.He meaning Nathan.Debbie Kaufmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17748664558802779885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-75028675115124227932008-05-27T15:26:00.000-05:002008-05-27T15:26:00.000-05:00Bart: In the interest of truth in information, he...Bart: In the interest of truth in information, he wrote another post to explain further. He has not changed his view as far as I can see.Debbie Kaufmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17748664558802779885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-64229467961676423722008-05-26T11:50:00.000-05:002008-05-26T11:50:00.000-05:00Bart, I would pay a subscription fee if you and Na...Bart, <BR/><BR/>I would pay a subscription fee if you and Nathan would start a joint blog to discuss issues in the SBC.<BR/><BR/>Include David Rogers in the discussion and I would double my payment.Dave Millerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01637750764381837761noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-45024818101108640972008-05-25T23:44:00.000-05:002008-05-25T23:44:00.000-05:00CB,:)DavidCB,<BR/><BR/>:)<BR/><BR/>Davidvolfan007https://www.blogger.com/profile/15635929001030697924noreply@blogger.com