tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post4717393670074359378..comments2023-10-19T10:34:33.030-05:00Comments on Praisegod Barebones: Would You Support the Return of Prohibition?Bart Barberhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comBlogger101125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-57882463350383589232008-12-10T22:48:00.000-06:002008-12-10T22:48:00.000-06:00Bill, I dont think this conversation is going anyw...Bill, <BR/><BR/><BR/>I dont think this conversation is going anywhere. Let's move on to something else; ok?<BR/><BR/>God bless you, Brother.<BR/><BR/>Davidvolfan007https://www.blogger.com/profile/15635929001030697924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-29658009314957594252008-12-10T20:54:00.000-06:002008-12-10T20:54:00.000-06:00David: You said "So, we have to make laws against ...<B>David:</B> You said <I>"So, we have to make laws against murder and stealing and drinking alcohol and using mind altering drugs like meth. And, we have to have jails for those who dont want to abide by those laws.</I><BR/><BR/>Prohibition did NOT outlaw drinking alcohol, but by your words that is what you are in favor of. Hence my question. Expanding on that, do you think we should have lawsBillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04864810365424064220noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-15203009339608118022008-12-10T18:17:00.000-06:002008-12-10T18:17:00.000-06:00Bill,If prohibition was a the law of the land, the...Bill,<BR/><BR/>If prohibition was a the law of the land, then why wouldnt they go to jail? Light up a doobie in front of a cop and see what happens.<BR/><BR/>Davidvolfan007https://www.blogger.com/profile/15635929001030697924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-45364980949406474542008-12-10T14:45:00.000-06:002008-12-10T14:45:00.000-06:00David: So you would jail people for drinking a gl...David: So you would jail people for drinking a glass of wine with their dinner?Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04864810365424064220noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-10726135022569430122008-12-10T12:41:00.000-06:002008-12-10T12:41:00.000-06:00Bill,My point is that Christians who are in love w...Bill,<BR/><BR/>My point is that Christians who are in love with Jesus and full of the Spirit shouldnt want alcohol. And, then, prohibition wouldnt even be an issue if everyone was getting saved and in love with Jesus, because they wouldnt want alcohol. Yes, of course, that's the best way. I mean, we wouldnt need laws against murder, and we could do away with jails if everyone got saved and volfan007https://www.blogger.com/profile/15635929001030697924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-4270484358289026932008-12-09T21:12:00.000-06:002008-12-09T21:12:00.000-06:00David: I didn't respond to your Wales comment bec...David: I didn't respond to your Wales comment because it makes my point, not yours.Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04864810365424064220noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-41162865417016371532008-12-09T19:04:00.000-06:002008-12-09T19:04:00.000-06:00Volfan,I should clarify one thing. I really don't ...Volfan,<BR/><BR/>I should clarify one thing. I really don't care if someone wants to support Prohibition, go for it. That's your right. As I've said, I think the chances of it actually working are slim, but whatever floats your boat. However, don't tell me you have a biblical argument for instituting prohibition. No one on this blog has yet demonstrated that one exists.<BR/><BR/>Drunkenness was aScott Shafferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03312545003301027755noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-89003310996212598932008-12-09T18:53:00.000-06:002008-12-09T18:53:00.000-06:00Volfan,I didn't respond because it really doesn't ...Volfan,<BR/><BR/>I didn't respond because it really doesn't change anything.Scott Shafferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03312545003301027755noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-3510143695081628792008-12-09T17:36:00.000-06:002008-12-09T17:36:00.000-06:00I noticed that Sham and Bill and Scott and whoever...I noticed that Sham and Bill and Scott and whoever else didnt comment at all about my comment concerning the Wales Revival and Awakening.<BR/><BR/>Interesting.<BR/><BR/>Davidvolfan007https://www.blogger.com/profile/15635929001030697924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-26491547585637512792008-12-08T14:08:00.000-06:002008-12-08T14:08:00.000-06:00Bart,Thought you might be interested in the follow...Bart,<BR/>Thought you might be interested in the following quote:<BR/><BR/>“The best evidence available to historians shows that consumption of beverage alcohol declined dramatically under prohibition. In the early 1920s, consumption of beverage alcohol was about thirty per cent of the pre-prohibition level. Consumption grew somewhat in the last years of prohibition, as illegal supplies of liquorAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-20540570636875368502008-12-08T13:23:00.000-06:002008-12-08T13:23:00.000-06:00You choose to ignore the facts, long before enteri...<I>You choose to ignore the facts, long before entering this comment thread, about the use of alcohol as a beverage. I pray it is not a tragedy that brings you to reality.</I><BR/><BR/>This will be my last word on this topic. <BR/><BR/>Refusing to accept your ipse dixit, manufactured and unsubstantiated claims, or the inflated statistics of scaremongering prohibitionists and unprincipled Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18343310535708699841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-4500935744073494182008-12-08T12:29:00.000-06:002008-12-08T12:29:00.000-06:00CB: Since rattlesnake venom is a dangerous drug, ...CB: Since rattlesnake venom is a dangerous drug, all right thinking Americans should demand its prohibition.Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04864810365424064220noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-46190310172500415292008-12-08T09:29:00.000-06:002008-12-08T09:29:00.000-06:00Bill,You are limiting the enforcement of the agend...Bill,<BR/><BR/>You are limiting the enforcement of the agenda.<BR/><BR/>There would be guns, yes.<BR/><BR/>But, there would also be Claymore mines, C-Four and Napomb. Also there would be some really mean dogs.<BR/><BR/>In some cases there might be "rattleless", Rattlesnakes slipped into folks showers.<BR/><BR/>That one little trick has really been effective in some situations in the "eviction" ofCB Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02230652312241919771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-37324576584955783472008-12-08T08:49:00.000-06:002008-12-08T08:49:00.000-06:00David: As you well know, not all moderationists w...David: As you well know, not all moderationists want to "drink liquor". You are well known around the blogosphere for your opposition to aggressive obsessed Dortian Calvinists pushing their insidious agenda on the SBC. Likewise some of us don't want aggressive obsessed abstentionists pushing their agenda on other believers who don't agree with them on the use of alcohol, and we especially do Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04864810365424064220noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-44004852307520095552008-12-08T07:59:00.000-06:002008-12-08T07:59:00.000-06:00CB,Hey, watch what you say about bootleggers!!! :...CB,<BR/><BR/>Hey, watch what you say about bootleggers!!! :)<BR/><BR/><BR/>Interesting that the revival in Wales was so powerful that the pubs shut down...not because they were forced to by the govt. but because the people were getting saved and falling in love with Jesus. They didnt want liquor. So, the bars closed down due to lack of business!!!! Also, the jails had nobody in them!!!!<BR/>volfan007https://www.blogger.com/profile/15635929001030697924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-45151236020889745452008-12-07T22:17:00.000-06:002008-12-07T22:17:00.000-06:00Shamgar,There are far more foreign countries than ...Shamgar,<BR/><BR/>There are far more foreign countries than Germany, Italy, and France, etc.<BR/><BR/>Data from other countries refutes what you say.<BR/><BR/>Also, I take it you are living and ministering in the United States.<BR/><BR/>Remember I have been very specific about the 'culture" of which I speak. <BR/><BR/>Yet, I must say there are many believers living in the countries mentioned CB Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02230652312241919771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-6351800939124458852008-12-07T20:08:00.000-06:002008-12-07T20:08:00.000-06:00Shamgar,I think you're letting other debates bleed...Shamgar,<BR/><BR/>I think you're letting other debates bleed over into this one. This is explicitly NOT about church using state to enforce anything. The entire premise of this thread is to consider not the question of what the Bible teaches about alcohol, but to consider prohibition as a civil and legal matter.<BR/><BR/>Counting the original post, this is the third time I've said this.Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-78260959901147077072008-12-07T19:48:00.000-06:002008-12-07T19:48:00.000-06:00And you brag of its helping your health. I don't u...<I>And you brag of its helping your health. I don't use it. My health will stand a pretty good test and I am old and was sorely handled in a past life.</I><BR/><BR/>I never said you had to use it to be healthy, I denied it will make you unhealthy as a necessary consequence, and that (at least for some, used properly) will have quite the opposite effect.<BR/><BR/><I>In the use of alcohol, you are Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18343310535708699841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-31362183067019515132008-12-07T17:18:00.000-06:002008-12-07T17:18:00.000-06:00Shamgar,Your arguments are a "sham" amd a "shame."...Shamgar,<BR/><BR/>Your arguments are a "sham" amd a "shame."<BR/><BR/><BR/>I did not suggest Jesus would not know of the future.<BR/><BR/>He knows all things. He is God.<BR/><BR/>He also knew you would be unwise about alcohol, but he saved you anyway.<BR/><BR/>He saved me in spite of all the areas I lack wisdom.<BR/><BR/>Now, you have stated you use alcohol. And you brag of its helping your CB Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02230652312241919771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-84306824881570561692008-12-07T16:40:00.000-06:002008-12-07T16:40:00.000-06:00(Third time is the charm)Yes CB, I do see what you...(Third time is the charm)<BR/><BR/>Yes CB, I do see what you said. I see that your statement suggests that Christ could not have seen how His words and actions would be interpreted, or what the need would be in future generations. This despite the fact that abuse of alcohol is not new, it goes all the way back to the old testament.<BR/><BR/>I think you really do believe that God is the same Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18343310535708699841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-86648429115135534792008-12-07T16:38:00.000-06:002008-12-07T16:38:00.000-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18343310535708699841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-53189333254347027162008-12-07T16:26:00.000-06:002008-12-07T16:26:00.000-06:00Huh?You must be referring to CB?!Huh?<BR/><BR/>You must be referring to CB?!Scott Shafferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03312545003301027755noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-50513040753364118682008-12-07T16:20:00.000-06:002008-12-07T16:20:00.000-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18343310535708699841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-54537413693847563092008-12-07T14:59:00.000-06:002008-12-07T14:59:00.000-06:00CB: Honestly your support of prohibition surprised...CB: Honestly your support of prohibition surprised me, despite your well known views about the use of alcohol. I think someone can be a passionate and outspoken abstentionist and still not support giving the state more power over our lives. Changing culture through the power of the Gospel seems to me to be a far better way to effect cultural change than at the point of a gun. That power should Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04864810365424064220noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-82716058565106849792008-12-07T13:50:00.000-06:002008-12-07T13:50:00.000-06:00Dave,I was just raggin about prohibition in genera...Dave,I was just raggin about prohibition in general. I became serious when I posted notice of that nad said I should post something serious in support of my wise brothers whgo understand our culture.<BR/><BR/>I really am not concerned with what the government does or does not do about alcohol.I do know the true purpose of government is to keep both foreign and domestic thugs from bothering me as CB Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02230652312241919771noreply@blogger.com