tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post4957541247729995954..comments2023-10-19T10:34:33.030-05:00Comments on Praisegod Barebones: Must See: TBN Clip Praying for "Pensacola" to Come in the SBCBart Barberhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comBlogger64125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-88381121848914704092007-12-20T12:57:00.000-06:002007-12-20T12:57:00.000-06:00Mike,I'm not sure if you're addressing your questi...Mike,<BR/><BR/>I'm not sure if you're addressing your question to me, but I'll take a stab at a reply. <BR/><BR/>First, I conclude from 1 Cor 14 that Paul makes a distinction between praying in tongues -- or in the spirit (vs. praying with the mind) -- and speaking a message in tongues which requires an interpretation. <BR/><BR/>As much as I wish that tongues had not been used for prayer publiclyTodd Nelsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18131930025633807723noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-37228253099028184812007-12-18T11:54:00.000-06:002007-12-18T11:54:00.000-06:00My big question is this: Why, if it is a private ...My big question is this: Why, if it is a <B>private</B> prayer language and it isn't <B>necessary</B> for salvation as the panel stated, does Scott Camp have to teach us how to speak in said tongues at the end of the program (being private and from God, I would expect a "moving of God" to allow me to speak in such a manner) and where was the interpretation of Mr. Camp's tongues at the end of theMikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00902805361027735043noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-39730208710023320072007-12-14T22:45:00.000-06:002007-12-14T22:45:00.000-06:00Bart, No, Baptists don't need to become more like ...Bart, <BR/><BR/>No, Baptists don't need to become more like Pentecostals (especially not the fighting and fleshly kind -- we do quite well ourselves in those areas). But we do need genuine revival, in whatever form God sovereignly chooses to send it. And if it comes through a Pentecostal or charismatic group, I don't want to be one standing pridefully aside, wagging my finger saying, 'But they'reTodd Nelsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18131930025633807723noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-77572946498279987382007-12-14T16:27:00.000-06:002007-12-14T16:27:00.000-06:00Bart, thanks for linking this. I am listening to i...Bart, thanks for linking this. I am listening to it right now.R. L. Vaughnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10992710377193518029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-62179791886064710882007-12-14T13:38:00.000-06:002007-12-14T13:38:00.000-06:00Todd,You write: "I am convinced, it [the 1996 Flo...Todd,<BR/><BR/>You write: "I am convinced, it [the 1996 Florida 'outpouring'] was a genuine outpouring of the Holy Spirit...the SBC desperately need more such outpourings, and longer lasting ones -- with Word and Spirit leading in tandem."<BR/><BR/>The working assumption you seem to possess is precisely the one apparently possessed by our panel who spoke to SBs on TBN. That is, revival, when Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-48691840688385583552007-12-14T13:35:00.000-06:002007-12-14T13:35:00.000-06:00Debbie,Somebody goes on national television, I pre...Debbie,<BR/><BR/>Somebody goes on national television, I present the <B>exact words</B> that they spoke, and I'm guilty of gossip?<BR/><BR/>Silly me...I've always thought that presenting someone's exact words so that they cannot be misrepresented or misconstrued is the very sort of thing that <B>prevents</B> gossip.Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-87648932560661699432007-12-14T13:32:00.000-06:002007-12-14T13:32:00.000-06:00Tim: Dwight said nothing new. Not one thing.The tr...Tim: Dwight said nothing new. Not one thing.<BR/><BR/><BR/>The truth in this discussion has gotten so far out of hand that I'm not even shaking my head anymore. It seems you all are on such a roll with this that truth is just a distant second to politics and agendas. I'm done. I see by your next post Bart, it's going to continue to snowball. But I am discouraged that this gossip is continuing to Debbie Kaufmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17748664558802779885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-68466799573289237342007-12-14T12:59:00.000-06:002007-12-14T12:59:00.000-06:00also, i want to add this...everytime i have seen a...also, i want to add this...everytime i have seen a charismatic/tongues kind of thing develop in a church....it's caused strife and division and heartache. i believe that i can say that 99% of the time that i have personally seen people get into tongue speaking and other charismatic type things, that it has caused churches to have strife and even to split and worse.<BR/><BR/>that's been my volfan007https://www.blogger.com/profile/15635929001030697924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-36530296361441122482007-12-14T12:57:00.000-06:002007-12-14T12:57:00.000-06:00i too wish that dwight had refuted, or at least ch...i too wish that dwight had refuted, or at least challenged, some of the insane statements being made on the panel....putting experience above scripture...saying that everyone ought to speak in tongues....all the attacks on the sbc made by the pentecostal/charismatic hogue...dr. patterson and all cessationists being called silly, etc. i just wish that dwight, being on this panel being a bad idea volfan007https://www.blogger.com/profile/15635929001030697924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-77624770276567096222007-12-14T12:39:00.000-06:002007-12-14T12:39:00.000-06:00Debbie,Just so you will know, Dr. McKissic is now ...Debbie,<BR/>Just so you will know, Dr. McKissic is now using a new term to describe his prayer life. This new term is "Praying in Tongues". SO your response to what was written last year is mute since he has changed terms with no clear definitions nor refuting of those who went beyond his stance. What do you say about the many "amens" from him when the others were speaking?Tim Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10885623376514366024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-49948942761528821042007-12-14T12:34:00.000-06:002007-12-14T12:34:00.000-06:00In fact, I think I'll email Senator Chuck Grassley...In fact, I think I'll email Senator Chuck Grassley and ask him for advice as to how we Baptist folk can come to know the divine blessings of Charismania.Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-36673924207507694232007-12-14T12:32:00.000-06:002007-12-14T12:32:00.000-06:00Todd,Yes, certainly Pentecostals have never disagr...Todd,<BR/><BR/>Yes, certainly Pentecostals have never disagreed, never split into various Pentecostal denominations, never split churches, never exhibit carnality. Oh, God, that we could become more like them!Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-87104728496738488712007-12-14T12:30:00.001-06:002007-12-14T12:30:00.001-06:00So, you have my permission to be concerned now.So, you have my permission to be concerned now.Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-75977928157016553602007-12-14T12:30:00.000-06:002007-12-14T12:30:00.000-06:00Debbie,The only person on that stage who doesn't h...Debbie,<BR/><BR/>The only person on that stage who doesn't have a vote in the SBC is Richard Hogue.Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-26458190053473869872007-12-14T12:25:00.000-06:002007-12-14T12:25:00.000-06:00Bart: When TBN gets a vote in the SBC then I'll be...Bart: When TBN gets a vote in the SBC then I'll be concerned. Dwight has always been about inclusion not conforming to his way of thinking, just not pushing folks such as himself out, you know that.Debbie Kaufmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17748664558802779885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-57398630356161143672007-12-14T12:18:00.000-06:002007-12-14T12:18:00.000-06:00I watched the whole video, and I also recommend to...I watched the whole video, and I also recommend to all SBC pastors. But don't presume, Bart, Ron P. and others, that it will wake up fellow pastors in the way that you seem to think it might -- to the dangers of a creeping Pentecostalism in the SBC. It's also possible that many pastors will identify with the testimonies of the brothers on the panel and seek a personal revival. <BR/><BR/>I went toTodd Nelsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18131930025633807723noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-50297059465381916672007-12-14T12:12:00.000-06:002007-12-14T12:12:00.000-06:00*Sigh.....folks watch the video, but be warned you...*Sigh.....folks watch the video, but be warned you will have to see the last few seconds of Jack Van Impe. Do not think that is where anyone wants to take the SBC either.Debbie Kaufmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17748664558802779885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-46147206033492553482007-12-14T12:08:00.000-06:002007-12-14T12:08:00.000-06:00WOW,Someone wants to defend that?SOLA GRATIA!WOW,<BR/><BR/>Someone wants to defend that?<BR/><BR/>SOLA GRATIA!Scott Gordonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12557513032999366380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-11007962829935546452007-12-14T11:43:00.000-06:002007-12-14T11:43:00.000-06:00Debbie,The subject of the program was the current ...Debbie,<BR/><BR/>The subject of the program was the current controversy in the Southern Baptist Convention with an entire panel of people articulating, praying for, and appealing into the camera regarding where they want the SBC to go. If everyone will watch the video for themselves, they will see this for themselves.Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-41227555515810440752007-12-14T11:38:00.000-06:002007-12-14T11:38:00.000-06:00Tim: If you did not know that Dr. McKissic did not...Tim: If you did not know that Dr. McKissic did not agree with the men on the panel in everything, then what was the point of Dr. McKissic writing and talking personally to each of you this past year? Did you forget all that he laid out plainly several times? If it's hard to remember just go to Dr. McKissic's blog or do a google search. He has not been shy about being clear exactly what he Debbie Kaufmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17748664558802779885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-47322582529719625682007-12-14T11:32:00.000-06:002007-12-14T11:32:00.000-06:00Bart would say the last line in your OP is pretty...Bart would say the last line in your OP is pretty misleading and tells the intent of this post. I quote:<BR/><BR/>"There you'll see the unvarnished truth of where folks hope to take the SBC."Debbie Kaufmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17748664558802779885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-87855570047687185422007-12-14T11:26:00.000-06:002007-12-14T11:26:00.000-06:00Dr. Welty,I stand down on the first point you offe...Dr. Welty,<BR/><BR/>I stand down on the first point you offer. You are correct. The way I worded 'purist attempt' in my original post carries with it precisely as you have pointed out. I regret the word choice. Moreover, I offer my deepest apology to Dwight McKissic for anything implied from that word combination. <BR/><BR/>As I was writing the comment, it was firmly in my mind to note AN Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-283007533190776132007-12-14T11:22:00.000-06:002007-12-14T11:22:00.000-06:00Alan again,Bart, I actually did not think that you...Alan again,<BR/><BR/>Bart, I actually did not think that you were misrepresenting Dwight McKissic through anything that you said in your original post, but through this post and comment stream as well as through Tim Guthrie's, there has definitely been a "guilt by association" move against Dwight here because he sat on a panel. <BR/><BR/>The comment that I was refering to is the one that you madeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-87547346633094387082007-12-14T10:54:00.000-06:002007-12-14T10:54:00.000-06:00I concur with Greg on those two points.I concur with Greg on those two points.Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-20123554678446853422007-12-14T10:43:00.000-06:002007-12-14T10:43:00.000-06:00Peter,My point is very simple. It's one thing to s...Peter,<BR/><BR/>My point is very simple. It's one thing to say that, in your judgment, Dwight didn't exercise the boldness he could have exercised on behalf of a friend. It's another thing entirely to say that his performance was the "purest attempt at moral cowardice that could be imagined". Two things about this claim of yours are completely over the top:<BR/><BR/>(1) The idea that Dwight was <Greg Weltyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11009322440200137155noreply@blogger.com