tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post5014165359829486057..comments2023-10-19T10:34:33.030-05:00Comments on Praisegod Barebones: Holy Spirit Conference ReflectionsBart Barberhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-74787717355582723842007-06-01T12:49:00.000-05:002007-06-01T12:49:00.000-05:00What Alan is getting at, if I understand him corre...What Alan is getting at, if I understand him correctly, is that there are very few Charismatics and no Pentecostals in the SBC. I would agree. There are Third Wavers in the SBC, who practice some of the gifts associated with the other two groups (tongues, etc.), but typically do not affirm a second baptism and do not always form new denominations or networks. This is one debate where we need a Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-70788057402454080292007-05-31T22:57:00.000-05:002007-05-31T22:57:00.000-05:00Jack,Thanks for answering. I see your point. I wou...Jack,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for answering. I see your point. I would have loved to have talked about the other things as well, and when given the choice of talking about the gifts or the fruit of the Spirit during the panel discussion, I chose to speak on the fruit of the Spirit for the very reasons that you suggest were necessary.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-27671525774990209942007-05-31T22:56:00.000-05:002007-05-31T22:56:00.000-05:00Pastor John,Good question. I think that those peop...Pastor John,<BR/><BR/>Good question. I think that those people are wrong, from what I have read and seen in people that I know. The difference that I know of is that Classic Pentecostals are those who believed in a seperate baptism of the Holy Spirit with tongues as the initial evidence and formed their own denominations, like Assembly of God and Church of God. Charismatics are those who believe Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-20612653612786548422007-05-31T16:46:00.000-05:002007-05-31T16:46:00.000-05:00AllanHi again! I had to re read my comment to see ...Allan<BR/><BR/>Hi again! I had to re read my comment to see why you would have singled me out and I see now why. Although I really was not commenting on "Charismatic" practices per se, I can see how one could come to that conclusion. My point was simply this...the conference in Arlington was not truly a conference on the Holy Spirit and His ministry as much as it was a conference on the gifts of Jack Maddoxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15103122833733271927noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-87943897033197271632007-05-31T14:55:00.000-05:002007-05-31T14:55:00.000-05:00Hi Bart,Me again. I just offered my apology to Dr....Hi Bart,<BR/><BR/>Me again. I just offered my apology to Dr. McKissic (on his blog) for my failure to address my comments to his blog post, not his resolution.<BR/><BR/>My apologies to you and your readers also. <BR/><BR/>To be precise; I have asked Dr. McKissic to correct the factual errors on his recent blog post, "The IMB Tongues Policy: 'Emotional Prejudice' or Exegetical Precision?".Jerry Corbaleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03791415692798309332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-62474102439898011022007-05-31T14:35:00.000-05:002007-05-31T14:35:00.000-05:00Jerry,Thanks, brother, for coming by and making a ...Jerry,<BR/><BR/>Thanks, brother, for coming by and making a very good point.<BR/><BR/><BR/>David,<BR/><BR/>No, the man did not suggest that he could speak "frog" and "locust." Rather, he suggested that he could, by speaking in tongues, speak "cancer" and "demon." He said that the Holy Spirit is able to speak "frog" and "locust" as evidenced in the plagues.<BR/><BR/>But that is really not the Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-80954032030385569132007-05-31T14:23:00.000-05:002007-05-31T14:23:00.000-05:00Alan,An honest question from one wanting to keep t...Alan,<BR/>An honest question from one wanting to keep terms straight. <BR/><BR/>You said that "A charismatic believes in a seperate Baptism of the Holy Spirit with tongues as the sign." <BR/><BR/>Now, everyone from self described Pentecostals and Charismatics to SBC seminary profs. have all told me that such a belief is the hallmark of Fundamental Pentecostalism, not Charismatics.<BR/><BR/>Pastor Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01196202021249398443noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-15819944827915475812007-05-31T14:12:00.000-05:002007-05-31T14:12:00.000-05:00Hi Bart,I appreciate the tolerance of the brothers...Hi Bart,<BR/><BR/>I appreciate the tolerance of the brothers and sisters on the IMBoT who are cessationists. They cooperated on common ground with the rest of the board in adopting a guideline that is NOT cessationist.<BR/><BR/>I have asked Dr. McKissic to please consider correcting the factual errors of his proposed resolution.Jerry Corbaleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03791415692798309332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-53963180005033976382007-05-31T14:10:00.000-05:002007-05-31T14:10:00.000-05:00matt,there used to be a horse that could speak eng...matt,<BR/><BR/>there used to be a horse that could speak english. his name is reported to have been mr. ed.<BR/><BR/>bart,<BR/> <BR/>was there a man there who said that he could talk to frogs and locusts? lol. boy, i'm sorry i missed that conference. :)<BR/><BR/>i wonder if there's anyone out there who can speak to moles..in thier language? i need someone to tell a certain mole to get out of volfan007https://www.blogger.com/profile/15635929001030697924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-49735234881614534132007-05-31T14:01:00.001-05:002007-05-31T14:01:00.001-05:00Bart,The "all this" was the IMB policies. You are ...Bart,<BR/><BR/>The "all this" was the IMB policies. You are correct.<BR/><BR/>Matt,<BR/><BR/>Bart was referring to a man who was talking about God being able to communicate with His creation and direct them, if I remember correctly. I don't know exactly where the man was going with what he was saying and I missed part of it. But, no one was there claiming to be able to speak "frog" or "locust" ifAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-43918711502630379662007-05-31T14:01:00.000-05:002007-05-31T14:01:00.000-05:00Matt,Did I not tell you about that? I'll do so pri...Matt,<BR/><BR/>Did I not tell you about that? I'll do so privately.Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-61027764093201909512007-05-31T13:53:00.000-05:002007-05-31T13:53:00.000-05:00Speaking "frog" and "locust"! Really? By the way,...Speaking "frog" and "locust"! <BR/><BR/>Really? <BR/><BR/>By the way, that is a "really?" of incredulity, not of questioning your integrity. I have no doubt it is true.Matt Bradyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10035601113330072618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-73665735562908847842007-05-31T13:48:00.000-05:002007-05-31T13:48:00.000-05:00Yes, Jack, if you are going to amend me, you're go...Yes, Jack, if you are going to amend me, you're going to have to go to San Antonio to do so. :-)Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-38597313797779990562007-05-31T13:47:00.000-05:002007-05-31T13:47:00.000-05:00woops...that was supposed to be "Amening" not Amen...woops...that was supposed to be "Amening" not Amending<BR/><BR/>YIKES!<BR/><BR/>JJack Maddoxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15103122833733271927noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-88059026909469245322007-05-31T13:46:00.000-05:002007-05-31T13:46:00.000-05:00BartI was glad to be there. Although Alycelee chas...Bart<BR/><BR/>I was glad to be there. Although Alycelee chastises me on another thread for amending Robin and Yourself, I was quick to correct her in and that I shared my amen with several of the presenters that day...I EVEN GAVE A HEARTY AMEN TO BAPTIST BAD BOY BEN COLE! When he said “I am done now" I said "AMEN!" Just kidding Ben...I actually ran interference for you in the foyer with a Jack Maddoxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15103122833733271927noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-91425203323532658182007-05-31T13:44:00.000-05:002007-05-31T13:44:00.000-05:00Alan,Thanks for the kind words. I'm not sure what ...Alan,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the kind words. I'm not sure what "all of this" signifies. If it refers to my personal theology—only politicians arrive at their beliefs in response to the daily polls, and I am not of that ilk.<BR/><BR/>If it refers to SBC institutional policies, I have repeatedly stated that I will accept whatever determination Southern Baptists make through our polity.Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-5518689716728059962007-05-31T13:40:00.000-05:002007-05-31T13:40:00.000-05:00Anonymous,"Flamethrowers"? Does your inability to ...Anonymous,<BR/><BR/>"Flamethrowers"? Does your inability to be clear about who is doing the speaking somehow prevent you from clearly expressing about whom you are speaking?Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-20214986424138335232007-05-31T13:36:00.001-05:002007-05-31T13:36:00.001-05:00One other thing: Are you saying that if the positi...One other thing: Are you saying that if the position of the IMB BoT was not the majority, or at least not the majority that has been claimed you would change your mind on the appropriateness of all of this?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-9034474932584867062007-05-31T13:36:00.000-05:002007-05-31T13:36:00.000-05:00It's always fun when the two opposing flamethrower...It's always fun when the two opposing flamethrowers get in on a comment thread. Too bad they don't aim at each other...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-49837134250148061142007-05-31T13:33:00.000-05:002007-05-31T13:33:00.000-05:00Bart,Very good analysis of the conference. As far ...Bart,<BR/><BR/>Very good analysis of the conference. As far as trying to make a caricature of cessationists, I actually did try and deal with what classic cessationists like MacArthur teach. The assignment was to make a case for either cessationism/semi-cessationism or to define and defend continuationism. You and Robin focused on tongues. In not focusing on that and deciding to focus on the Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-15946016992361619152007-05-31T12:46:00.000-05:002007-05-31T12:46:00.000-05:00Bart,It is interesting to me that the more some "c...Bart,<BR/>It is interesting to me that the more some "concerned Baptists" blog, the more they sound like what they propose to battle - "harsh," "narrow" (just different issues), "unreasonable." Just recently another blog first defined "fundamentalist," and then put folks there like Jerry Falwell, who never fit their definition.Steve Younghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04858156317482625056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-65061370004221306152007-05-31T12:40:00.001-05:002007-05-31T12:40:00.001-05:00Debbie,Thanks for your kind words. Definition of t...Debbie,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for your kind words. Definition of terms is indeed an important (and often overlooked) part of discourse.Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-55609194268955719972007-05-31T12:40:00.000-05:002007-05-31T12:40:00.000-05:00Ben,Polo.Ben,<BR/><BR/>Polo.Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-16085156708893995942007-05-31T12:20:00.000-05:002007-05-31T12:20:00.000-05:00I truly wish anonymous commenters would have the g...I truly wish anonymous commenters would have the guts to sign their name when they make such wild comments. Jeremy does. :)<BR/><BR/>Bart: I thought you did a very good job at presenting your viewpoint. I learned things I did not know which at least helped me personally know where you were coming from. I don't agree with the conclusion but realize how you arrived there.<BR/><BR/>I did wonder Debbie Kaufmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17748664558802779885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-42579581357476627562007-05-31T12:11:00.000-05:002007-05-31T12:11:00.000-05:00Bart:You might have been fragrant. I'm not sure.A...Bart:<BR/><BR/>You might have been fragrant. I'm not sure.<BR/><BR/>And I don't think I ever want to be sure.<BR/><BR/>BSCAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com