tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post5058315575228617587..comments2023-10-19T10:34:33.030-05:00Comments on Praisegod Barebones: Non-Calvinists: We're Not A Monolithic GroupBart Barberhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-79762967042501051872012-10-11T19:45:21.564-05:002012-10-11T19:45:21.564-05:00One of these days I'm going to research how ma...One of these days I'm going to research how many of your posts and comments on the internet have the phrase "I'm not a Calvinist". The blogger doth protest too much, methinks.KWSnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-90357952447625592582012-09-30T20:37:56.743-05:002012-09-30T20:37:56.743-05:00Forgot to say
LouisForgot to say <br /><br />LouisAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-48141894998913848862012-09-30T20:37:06.946-05:002012-09-30T20:37:06.946-05:00Bart:
Sorry to have implied that you are Yarnell ...Bart:<br /><br />Sorry to have implied that you are Yarnell were under consideration. It was a hypothetical, as you knew. Just hope everyone else does, too.<br /><br />I can understand how the DOM job you mentioned would be appealing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-24458995020973133852012-09-30T06:11:18.057-05:002012-09-30T06:11:18.057-05:00Louis,
You know this, I'm sure, but just to m...Louis,<br /><br />You know this, I'm sure, but just to make this abundantly clear to whomever might be reading: This committee never had my name, my resume, nada. I never aspired to this position nor entered the committee's field of vision.<br /><br />However, I once read a story about a DOM in Montana who flew a Piper Cub to all of his meetings. If THAT position ever should come open…Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-21233504940994349002012-09-30T06:06:39.211-05:002012-09-30T06:06:39.211-05:00Dale,
That sounds like something from 2001.Dale,<br /><br />That sounds like something from 2001.Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-65272801935557886322012-09-30T06:00:11.379-05:002012-09-30T06:00:11.379-05:00Peter,
I don't wish to offer any critique or ...Peter,<br /><br />I don't wish to offer any critique or commentary about the actions that the board or the search team has taken. I am, however, willing to look speculatively into the future and offer thoughts about how to go forward from here.<br /><br />I've never been on the campus at MBTS. Not once. I'm therefore in no position whatsoever to know what has gone wrong with the past Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-5042452512247782022012-09-29T21:48:34.994-05:002012-09-29T21:48:34.994-05:00Good article, and correspondingly good comments. I...Good article, and correspondingly good comments. I would just add that Calvinists aren't a monolithic group, either.Bob Clevelandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06110395869562328309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-47657775667416577612012-09-29T17:37:13.968-05:002012-09-29T17:37:13.968-05:00Bart:
This is an excellent, balanced piece.
If y...Bart:<br /><br />This is an excellent, balanced piece.<br /><br />If you had been nominated, or our mutual friend Malcolm Yarnell had been nominated, I would be supporting you guys because I think that you are fine people and I would have some confidence in the Trustee system.<br /><br />I might not believe either of you was the best person for the job, but I would believe that the Trustees did aAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-31305700071062799262012-09-29T16:58:23.500-05:002012-09-29T16:58:23.500-05:00Dale,
If I may. The indication I received from th...Dale,<br /><br />If I may. The indication I received from the trustee is that there will be questions asked, questions particularly as to why they were left in the dark pertaining to the nomination, and why, when they ask questions, they too were told they had to wait until the "official" meeting to get the answers. So much for communication. I supposed we on the outside should not feelpeter lumpkinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00515936082186368659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-5318322149820088212012-09-29T14:48:38.490-05:002012-09-29T14:48:38.490-05:00Also......Bart, may I now call myself a "non-...Also......Bart, may I now call myself a "non-Monolith" instead of a "non-Calvinist"?<br />:-)Dale Pughhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06576663953387918553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-5486148732025137612012-09-29T14:37:28.570-05:002012-09-29T14:37:28.570-05:00Peter (and all):
Is the trustee who reported that ...Peter (and all):<br />Is the trustee who reported that the Allen nomination is being "driven through" simply going to sit by and let it happen? Even if Allen is imminently qualified, shouldn't our trustees be expected to act with more honesty and guts than that? Isn't this simply reducing the process to the same "good ol' boy" system that many bemoan as a sad Dale Pughhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06576663953387918553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-67668273758524680122012-09-29T12:43:53.475-05:002012-09-29T12:43:53.475-05:00Phillip,
So, while yes Allen’s connection with Mo...Phillip,<br /><br />So, while yes Allen’s connection with Mohler is definitively part of the problem we have with the Allen nomination, the Allen nomination lethally suffers from other weaknesses as well, and so it is just not so that it’s “plain and simple” Allen’s connection with Mohler which we deplore. As an alternate example, I suppose one will be hard-pressed to questions the credentials ofpeter lumpkinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00515936082186368659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-19398655210100073602012-09-29T12:43:13.519-05:002012-09-29T12:43:13.519-05:00Hi Phillip,
Presumably, you mean by “as an outsid...Hi Phillip,<br /><br />Presumably, you mean by “as an outsider” you’re not affiliated with a an SBC congregation. Or, perhaps I misunderstood. I think a clarifying remark would give us some helpful info (not, of course, that if you are not SBC affiliated, your commentary becomes of no significance).<br /><br />Even so, I wanted to follow up on a couple of things you mentioned if I may. First, youpeter lumpkinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00515936082186368659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-85314438066952644802012-09-29T09:18:24.145-05:002012-09-29T09:18:24.145-05:00As an outsider layman, non-Calvinist -and non-Trad...As an outsider layman, non-Calvinist -and non-Traditionalist, for that matter- I can nevertheless see the heart of the issue here. The opposition to Dr. Allen's nomination is really not about Dr Allen at all; it's all about opposition to Dr Mohler and his calvinism. All of this just came down because of Dr. Allen's affiliation with Southern Seminary and Dr Mohler, plain and simple. DrPhilip Millerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10724816767904621890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-26651956282783336612012-09-29T08:44:00.584-05:002012-09-29T08:44:00.584-05:00"Not that I'm picking on Rick. His commen..."Not that I'm picking on Rick. His comment generally summarized what had been the tenor of online discussion up to that point."<br /><br />Bart, you are correct. My purpose in making the comment was indeed to summarize the discussion.<br /><br />For MBTS to announce the candidate, while still withholding critical information about him, was a strategic mistake, in my opinion. The Rick Patricknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-5052916656812536412012-09-29T08:36:27.290-05:002012-09-29T08:36:27.290-05:00Hey Bart,
Hope all is well. Thanks for the clarit...Hey Bart,<br /><br />Hope all is well. Thanks for the clarity you bring about your own thoughts on the Allen nomination not to mention the honorable dissent toward the position I publicly maintain without also trashing me personally (nor Rick either for that matter). Far too many SBC bloggers have it out <i>personally for one another</i>.<br /><br />I do have some initial thoughts toward your peter lumpkinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00515936082186368659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-51568773454311644612012-09-29T08:35:30.529-05:002012-09-29T08:35:30.529-05:00Well done! Thanks for not making me wait for the s...Well done! Thanks for not making me wait for the second post. :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-48935196439628811852012-09-29T07:17:57.143-05:002012-09-29T07:17:57.143-05:00Well, that only leaves 1,420! ;-)Well, that only leaves 1,420! ;-)Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-20180504584613627792012-09-29T06:10:11.012-05:002012-09-29T06:10:11.012-05:00Cheers! ;)Cheers! ;)Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01410144337505012175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-20189583676569033422012-09-29T00:43:46.103-05:002012-09-29T00:43:46.103-05:00Great article. I take back 3/4 of the mean things ...Great article. I take back 3/4 of the mean things I have ever said about you!Dave Millerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01637750764381837761noreply@blogger.com