tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post6255403997170855853..comments2023-10-19T10:34:33.030-05:00Comments on Praisegod Barebones: Aaron Weaver's "James M. Dunn and Soul Freedom" and Baptist IdentityBart Barberhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-7638844561371619062012-01-05T08:55:25.908-06:002012-01-05T08:55:25.908-06:00Aaron,
I think you'll not have much trouble s...Aaron,<br /><br />I think you'll not have much trouble securing employment. At least, I'd be surprised…Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-44673234337659289982012-01-05T08:50:05.484-06:002012-01-05T08:50:05.484-06:00Hi AARON,
Congratulations on the book.
Had you ...Hi AARON,<br /><br />Congratulations on the book. <br />Had you thought about becoming an academic . . . a professor ? <br />You have the necessary intellectual rigor for that, I'm sure. And the discipline. And . . . you're 'published' . . . something that colleges prize as an accomplishment in their faculties. <br /><br />You might have to start out as an assistant Christianehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15969310497166526545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-73357213142727811022012-01-04T22:57:39.379-06:002012-01-04T22:57:39.379-06:00As I told Dr. Finn following the posting of Moore&...As I told Dr. Finn following the posting of Moore's review, if only all these kind words from you conservative folks could lead to a job opportunity or two for a soon-to-be new PHD!! :-)Big Daddy Weavehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06270791070315400815noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-57586807654621094622012-01-03T15:58:33.064-06:002012-01-03T15:58:33.064-06:00Bart
Thanks for the review (and acknowledging my ...Bart<br /><br />Thanks for the review (and acknowledging my own contribution, reflecting on Aaron's book). I think he did an outstanding job. Though obviously writing as a "friend" and supporter of Dunn, Aaron nonetheless maintained a reasonable amount of objectivity in cataloging Dunn's life and contribution to our Baptist heritage.<br /><br />With that, I am...<br />PeterAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-77645459876947999482012-01-01T17:09:23.269-06:002012-01-01T17:09:23.269-06:00Wish you could be there, but I understand.
I was ...Wish you could be there, but I understand.<br /><br />I was "lurking" at BGCT alright. I actually went to the TBHS meeting which was in conjunction with it. Maybe we might bump into one another on neutral (but pleasant) ground -- the BMAT. :-)<br /><br />I agree that Dunn, et al. mean/meant something different than religious liberty with "soul freedom". Also agree that a R. L. Vaughnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10992710377193518029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-37375000895350695912012-01-01T16:20:24.510-06:002012-01-01T16:20:24.510-06:00Thank you for your thoughtful and kind response Ba...Thank you for your thoughtful and kind response Bart. Blessings on your birthday!! Same day as my dear wife and grandson!!<br />Yes I understand your concept, that if the Lordship of Christ is maintained as inclusive of the atoning work of Christ and his resurrection and the call to personal faith then there is the ability to maintain freedom of conscience (sorry for using other similar terms). Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-21788544773164338852011-12-31T22:57:10.316-06:002011-12-31T22:57:10.316-06:00Also, Steve, I think that Dr. Finn's work in h...Also, Steve, I think that Dr. Finn's work in his series was exemplary. As you yourself have surmised, I believe that Dr. Yarnell's emphasis upon the Lordship of Christ is by no means to the exclusion of Christ's work on the cross.<br /><br />It is simply that the crucifixion, by itself, offers very little logical foundation for religious liberty, congregational church polity, local Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-30036213271748358172011-12-31T22:52:15.664-06:002011-12-31T22:52:15.664-06:00Steve,
By "Soul Freedom," Dunn and Weav...Steve,<br /><br />By "Soul Freedom," Dunn and Weaver have (if I have understood them correctly) meant something deeper than merely religious liberty. I agree with you that Calvinism is not necessarily incompatible with religious liberty (although, apparently, John Calvin was). I also think that it would be an interesting study to examine how compatible Mullins's "Soul Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-88827313083476414472011-12-31T22:45:48.251-06:002011-12-31T22:45:48.251-06:00Thanks, Louis, and take care in your exercise regi...Thanks, Louis, and take care in your exercise regimen in the morning.Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-61440598459127211372011-12-31T22:44:55.587-06:002011-12-31T22:44:55.587-06:00Thanks, Bro. Vaughn! I appreciate your readership ...Thanks, Bro. Vaughn! I appreciate your readership and your thoughtful interaction with this post. I regret that my responsibilities as an Upward Basketball coach will, again this year, preclude me from being able to participate in the singing.<br /><br />Lurk around an SBTC meeting in 2012 instead of a BGCT meeting, and perhaps our paths will cross.Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-26983762005992249832011-12-31T22:43:08.413-06:002011-12-31T22:43:08.413-06:00CB,
I think there is room for the core Baptist di...CB,<br /><br />I think there is room for the core Baptist distinctive to be something different from the core doctrine of orthodox Christianity. In other words, we might identify a central doctrine that, being embraced fully, would necessarily make someone a Baptist.<br /><br />I believe that a particular view of the unmediated Lordship of Jesus Christ is the sort of doctrine that would push Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-1237714033791923232011-12-31T03:21:42.417-06:002011-12-31T03:21:42.417-06:00(cont)
Biblical Discipleship is a response to the...(cont)<br /><br />Biblical Discipleship is a response to the atoning sacrifice of Christ! We love Him because…. <br /> …. He first loved us!!<br /><br />In fact any discipleship that is not a grateful response to the gospel of Christ, is indeed a doctrine of works.<br /><br />By the nature of your conservative resurgence, the gospel itself has again become the Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-88053941327640269562011-12-31T03:21:15.683-06:002011-12-31T03:21:15.683-06:00(cont)
I would be partial to Nathan’s Finn’s viewp...(cont)<br />I would be partial to Nathan’s Finn’s viewpoint, however, I would rather place the emphasis not on the conversion process but on the historic reality of the cross itself as the core Believer’s principle. In the final analysis the greatest event ever was the incarnation of God into human flesh with the purpose of the Lord Jesus Christ dying as an atoning sacrifice for our sins. While Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-16288018677884119512011-12-31T03:17:32.671-06:002011-12-31T03:17:32.671-06:00G'day Bart,
Thank you for such a good article....G'day Bart,<br />Thank you for such a good article.<br /><br />May I raise some minor issues;<br />Soul liberty is not axiomatically opposed to Calvinistic determinism.<br /><br />Soul liberty; that government must not enforce religious beliefs but sectarian religious beliefs must be individually and personally accepted free from Government imposition of sectarian beliefs please note that I Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-63652078285473228032011-12-30T19:35:55.288-06:002011-12-30T19:35:55.288-06:00Bart:
Thank you for this excellent post.
I remem...Bart:<br /><br />Thank you for this excellent post.<br /><br />I remember James Dunn. I remember the arguments he made and the positions that he took during the CR. I opposed his vision for the SBC in some, but not all, respects. As a practical matter, I am very glad that the SBC defunded the agency Dunn oversaw and gave its program assignment to the CLC, now ERLC.<br /><br />You have done a aAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-18201958049692789462011-12-30T11:43:29.612-06:002011-12-30T11:43:29.612-06:00Thanks for the post and the mention of the book, a...Thanks for the post and the mention of the book, and your good thoughts you achieved through your meditation on it. I know Aaron Weaver only through blog-dom and discussion forums, but have seen his passion there. I am acquainted with Dunn only through books.<br /><br />The discussion and interaction on Baptist Identity is an important one. Weaver and Dunn's vision is ultimately a very R. L. Vaughnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10992710377193518029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-53687703320098552442011-12-30T09:38:02.376-06:002011-12-30T09:38:02.376-06:00I intend to read the book. I have always liked Aar...I intend to read the book. I have always liked Aaron Weaver, although I disagree with him on many issues. Thank you, Bart, for your review.<br /><br />Nonetheless, I must continue to contend that the doctrine of the Trinity is the core doctrine of Baptist identity and orthodox Christianity at-large. <br /><br />If a man misses the doctrine of the Trinity as the foundational doctrine of CB Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02230652312241919771noreply@blogger.com