tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post7753282519284456198..comments2023-10-19T10:34:33.030-05:00Comments on Praisegod Barebones: Is Catholicism a Monotheistic Religion?Bart Barberhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-26002313860120710062013-01-13T22:43:59.262-06:002013-01-13T22:43:59.262-06:00As a former Catholic (for 30+) years, a catechist ...As a former Catholic (for 30+) years, a catechist and sacristan, I would only like to add to Christiane's message, that what the Vatican protests, and what priests teach and most Catholics believe, are quite different things. I am not sure yet why this is so: I am focused right now on discovering the truths of Christianity. But, to add, many Catholic children (and older) believe without Yasmenanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-86104166784647710022012-09-14T19:40:32.232-05:002012-09-14T19:40:32.232-05:00I was raised in the Catholic Church and went to Ca...I was raised in the Catholic Church and went to Catholic schools until college. There was a fairly heavy enphisis on Mary, but not much at all on the saints. <br />Saying my "Hail Marys" was just so many words repeated over and over. During those years when the nuns had the greatest influence over my ideas I never remember directing a personal thought or prayer to Mary, and asking a Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-17373437090394716562012-09-12T21:12:38.722-05:002012-09-12T21:12:38.722-05:00Yes, that is the most abominable thing that SBs as...Yes, that is the most abominable thing that SBs as a Convention have ever done: when, in the 1990s, they opened DIALOGUE with Roman Catholicism. Roman Catholicism is not only pagan as you described, but was directly responsible for millions of Baptist martyrs during the Dark Ages. It gives me pause as to whether I consider whether even SBs who believe in the fundamentals and practice right on Jonathan Meltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09694832140058324532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-37690820240558560052012-09-11T16:25:51.119-05:002012-09-11T16:25:51.119-05:00Hi BART,
after much looking, I did find something...Hi BART,<br /><br />after much looking, I did find something that I think can clarify the issue better for you, <br />or at least, I hope it will help some. <br /><br />http://wordonfire.org/WOF-Radio/Sermons/2009/Sermon-439-Trinity-The-Center-of-Our-Faith.aspx<br /><br />Robert Barron is widely recognized as one of the top theologians of our Church in the United States.<br />His explanationChristianehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15969310497166526545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-82650288155837864462012-09-11T11:54:32.509-05:002012-09-11T11:54:32.509-05:00I wrote this once. I appreciate your remarks. Rom...I wrote this once. I appreciate your remarks. Rome's Rituals and historic hypocrisies are all that outfit has to offer us. Reading your comments reminded me of how the saints of a near by parish threatened the saints of my church in Mo. in the 60s, because the latter opposed a state school bus bill that would have hauled the children of the catholics to their school, free of charge. It Dr. James Willinghamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09813835260250606422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-19438705243888582372012-09-11T11:47:34.836-05:002012-09-11T11:47:34.836-05:00crisoAmen! Brother! I am thankful for your commen...crisoAmen! Brother! I am thankful for your comments ala Rome. They have many sly ways of covering up their shortcomings. A lady once told me she was touring a cathedral in a major American city, when she saw some woman in a body hug of a statue of one of the saints back in an alcove. It reminded me of those who crawled on their knees in the processions in Central America, following an image, Dr. James Willinghamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09813835260250606422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-90991511917643426212012-09-10T11:31:45.955-05:002012-09-10T11:31:45.955-05:00Dr. Yarnell,
Your note about the analysis of Sout...Dr. Yarnell,<br /><br />Your note about the analysis of Southern Baptist practices is a point well taken.Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-47238072729979389122012-09-09T20:00:15.091-05:002012-09-09T20:00:15.091-05:00the 'liturgies' of the Catholic Church and...<i>the 'liturgies' of the Catholic Church and of the Eastern Orthodox Church, which are very old in Christianity, are your best sources of information about Catholic ways of praying<br /></i><br /><br />And of course, Bart, having a doctorate, would have no clue about any of this. You're such a big help, L's. (insert eye roll here)<br /><br />Be peaceful, dear one. LOLJoe Blackmonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05609279285784683781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-90645001352289961272012-09-09T19:39:26.023-05:002012-09-09T19:39:26.023-05:00As you note, Dr. Barber, the line between official...As you note, Dr. Barber, the line between official religion and popular religion is fluid. On the one hand, one can see conceptually how Roman Catholics (and Eastern Orthodox) might make a distinction between reverence and worship, though you and I personally find such a distinction difficult to maintain. Moreover, the Marian dogmas and practices, even in official sacerdotal circles, are really Malcolm Yarnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05527418213499559637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-80950852902492637612012-09-09T19:38:27.796-05:002012-09-09T19:38:27.796-05:00Hi BART,
the 'liturgies' of the Catholic ...Hi BART,<br /><br />the 'liturgies' of the Catholic Church and of the Eastern Orthodox Church, which are very old in Christianity, are your best sources of information about Catholic ways of praying<br /><br />I have always thought it best to examine the liturgies of all of the first centers of Christianity that formed as Christianity spread out from Jerusalem . . . <br /><br />note in Christianehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15969310497166526545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-71284671253108617532012-09-09T19:15:19.287-05:002012-09-09T19:15:19.287-05:00Christiane,
The question is not whether Roman Cat...Christiane,<br /><br />The question is not whether Roman Catholics worship the Lord, but whether they worship Him alone. The standard Roman Catholic answers are simply not satisfactory. It was the ruling of the Second Council of Nicea that, considering for example a statue of Martin of Tours, one could and should bow before it, venerate it, kiss it, offer incense to it, and pray to it…but not Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-91511325909131017332012-09-09T18:27:14.357-05:002012-09-09T18:27:14.357-05:00Hi BART,
I think that this prayer from our liturg...Hi BART,<br /><br />I think that this prayer from our liturgy can help give an example of our way of worshiping God. It is the 'Gloria' which is very ancient in the Church:<br /><br />" Glory to God in the highest,<br />and peace to his people on earth.<br />Lord God, heavenly King, almighty God and Father,<br />we worship you, we give you thanks, we praise you for your glory.<br /Christianehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15969310497166526545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-56467315033540356162012-09-09T17:56:58.275-05:002012-09-09T17:56:58.275-05:00David,
Toning down rhetoric is not my strong suit...David,<br /><br />Toning down rhetoric is not my strong suit.<br /><br />But I do not want to be irresponsibly or inaccurately harsh toward Roman Catholicism. I think Dave Miller's observation is an accurate one, and I guess that's the string on which I'm pulling a bit.<br /><br />If a new group emerged from a Protestant church with all of these features, what would we call it? I Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-20095838185481547242012-09-09T17:55:12.603-05:002012-09-09T17:55:12.603-05:00Thanks, Joe.Thanks, Joe.Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-78030078164741407202012-09-09T17:55:02.725-05:002012-09-09T17:55:02.725-05:00Steve,
I suppose we could make this about Calvini...Steve,<br /><br />I suppose we could make this about Calvinism if we were determined to do so. Our world seems adept at making everything about Calvinism.<br /><br />But I was trying to write about monotheism and polytheism. Catholic soteriology is probably connectable with that, but is, I think we must acknowledge, it's own different subject.Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-71460305399389514502012-09-09T17:53:37.668-05:002012-09-09T17:53:37.668-05:00Christiane,
Which do you think is more likely, th...Christiane,<br /><br />Which do you think is more likely, that I am unaware of the words <i>dulia</i>, <i>hyperdulia</i>, and <i>latria</i>, or that, being acquainted with them, I find them to amount to a distinction without a difference. Certainly there's not a shred of biblical evidence (not even in the Apocrypha) to support such an invention.<br /><br />I realize that this is a delicate Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-58967999889850002132012-09-09T17:38:36.815-05:002012-09-09T17:38:36.815-05:00Dave,
That's the one great struggle in connec...Dave,<br /><br />That's the one great struggle in connection with all of this: There are those individuals who live within Catholicism who choose to interpret everything Catholicism says in the most Christian way possible and who are therefore able to live as believers. Beckwith, Chesterton, etc. I think we all know the category well. Whereas, with Mormonism, we can conclude that he who is a Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-1587935968629300312012-09-09T17:27:40.097-05:002012-09-09T17:27:40.097-05:00Bart,
From my experience, there is an important e...Bart,<br /><br />From my experience, there is an important element of truth in what you say here. However, since anti-Catholic rhetoric in the past has often been uncharitable and at times not very accurate, we must be careful to be precise in the language we use when broaching this subject. <br /><br />As Christiane mentions, official Catholic doctrine is technically monotheistic and TrinitarianDavid Rogershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11701934251748260267noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-83155221479114980332012-09-09T16:24:53.564-05:002012-09-09T16:24:53.564-05:00Catholics certainly have a distorted view of the g...Catholics certainly have a distorted view of the gospel.<br /><br />It is semi-Pelagian. A lot of God and a little bit of 'me'.<br /><br />However, that equation usually gets turned around so that I now determine the outcome by what I do, or don't do.<br /><br />To be honest and fair about it, many Protestant Christians operate with basically the same theology...'a lot of God and Steve Martinhttp://theoldadam.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-58348384287021520312012-09-09T15:51:26.378-05:002012-09-09T15:51:26.378-05:00Bart
Thank you for faithfully and accurately repo...Bart<br /><br />Thank you for faithfully and accurately reporting what Catholics believe. As far as whether they're a Christian church or not, for me, it's pretty simple. They worship another God, a different Jesus, and preach a different gospel.Joe Blackmonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05609279285784683781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-57629279832651318652012-09-09T12:23:17.221-05:002012-09-09T12:23:17.221-05:00Hi BART,
it's always best to find out the ans...Hi BART,<br /><br />it's always best to find out the answer to what Catholics believe here:<br /><br />http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_INDEX.HTM<br /><br />when I had questions and concerns about the faith of my grandmother who was Southern Baptist, I went to the correct sources for information and I found out. <br /><br />I hope the link helps you. I can say that the ancient creedsChristianehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15969310497166526545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-46007734638207580642012-09-09T12:20:49.919-05:002012-09-09T12:20:49.919-05:00Not sure about the monotheism thing - you make int...Not sure about the monotheism thing - you make interesting points - but I think that the only reason Catholicism is not link with Mormonism and JWs and other cults is because it has been around so long. <br /><br />The more I study and am exposed to Catholicism, the more I am convinced it is not genuine Christianity - though because of God's amazing grace, some Catholics manage to find Dave Millerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01637750764381837761noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-4365120022017502532012-09-09T12:19:11.594-05:002012-09-09T12:19:11.594-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Dave Millerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01637750764381837761noreply@blogger.com