tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post8134142171800056562..comments2023-10-19T10:34:33.030-05:00Comments on Praisegod Barebones: Why Mormonism Is a Cult, and Should Be Called OneBart Barberhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-88235066809054680152012-12-16T07:36:08.861-06:002012-12-16T07:36:08.861-06:002 TIMOTHY 2:14:
"Keep reminding them of the...2 TIMOTHY 2:14: <br /><br />"Keep reminding them of these things. Warn them before God against quarreling about words; it is of no value, and only ruins those who listen."Bob Clevelandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06110395869562328309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-17274555236633735782012-11-20T11:38:57.804-06:002012-11-20T11:38:57.804-06:00What I have found is that we need to start, even w...What I have found is that we need to start, even within our churches, by saying, "Mormonism is not Christianity." We can then move to defining as cult & false religion. I want to be emphatic in the most direct negation of the current claims of Mormon apologists. When they say Mormonism is Christian, I want to clearly say NO and then label Mormonism for what it is.<br /><br />SAGordonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16002341529764571177noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-90277774109273989772012-11-05T22:33:58.417-06:002012-11-05T22:33:58.417-06:00Thanks, Bart. As a pastor of a church that has pl...Thanks, Bart. As a pastor of a church that has planted a church in Utah, I can tell you that we need to speak clearly on this subject. I was reading my daily Spurgeon sermon this morning and was surprised that he took on Mormonism as a young pastor calling it "this imposter of the West come lately."kwsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-46104434451778848062012-11-02T13:30:57.920-05:002012-11-02T13:30:57.920-05:00Bart,
Regarding a definition for cult...
I seem ...Bart,<br /><br />Regarding a definition for cult...<br /><br />I seem to remember being taught that the most basic definition of a cult was any belief system that purported to be Christian that adds or takes anything away from the <b>Person</b> and/or <b>Work</b> of Christ.<br /><br />I think we all agree that Mormonism is a cult when cult is defined theologically. I also find that I am leaning Ron Phillips, Sr.https://www.blogger.com/profile/15891614423106717280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-20500276647652991102012-11-02T08:19:09.043-05:002012-11-02T08:19:09.043-05:00Anonymous,
Nobody is putting Mormonism in its own...Anonymous,<br /><br />Nobody is putting Mormonism in its own corner. The only people treating Mormonism uniquely are those who still call Jehovah's Witnesses, Christian Science, et all, as cults, but will not do so (this year) with regard to Mormonism.<br /><br />By the way, lest anyone think I am just manufacturing my definition, consider a standard resource like Josh McDowell's "<aBart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-83922235232477025702012-11-02T08:12:38.434-05:002012-11-02T08:12:38.434-05:00I drove 942 miles yesterday. That's why I was ...I drove 942 miles yesterday. That's why I was pretty much unavailable for comment. My apologies.<br /><br />The major outstanding question, as David has noted, is Peter's request for a definition of a cult.<br /><br />Dr. Stetzer is correct that there is a theological definition for a "cult" and there is a sociological definition for a "cult." Theologically, a cult is Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-58633161412622315052012-11-02T08:07:35.358-05:002012-11-02T08:07:35.358-05:00Matt,
All false religions are leading people to he...Matt,<br />All false religions are leading people to hell with a false message. We should always be clear regardless of which religion we are encountering. I simply don't see the need to isolate Mormonism in its own corner. A false religion is a false religion. As I stated, I simply disagree.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-56754726242949276322012-11-01T19:51:27.053-05:002012-11-01T19:51:27.053-05:00Thinking through this some more, I think the big q...Thinking through this some more, I think the big question is coming to a common definition of the term "cult." Otherwise, we will always be talking past each other. Labels are almost always problematic in this way. It is probably going to be really hard to come to such an agreement in this case, as there are already many different understandings of what "cult" means floating David Rogershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11701934251748260267noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-22136925571733530042012-11-01T16:38:53.676-05:002012-11-01T16:38:53.676-05:00While it may be difficult to differentiate between...While it may be difficult to differentiate between a religion and a cult, Mormonism is not just another false religion. Not all false religions claim to be Christian as do the Mormons. For that reason our response to Mormonism ought to be all the more clear. They are leading people to Hell, and they are doing it in the name of Jesus Christ. I can't see any justification for mincing words Matt Bradyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10035601113330072618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-54729866871811989592012-11-01T15:03:34.039-05:002012-11-01T15:03:34.039-05:00I disagree. Mormonism is a false religion among ma...I disagree. Mormonism is a false religion among many false religions. That doesn't qualify it as a cult.<br /><br />CalebAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-17992424548843666672012-11-01T12:45:25.632-05:002012-11-01T12:45:25.632-05:00Bart,
I imagine that I have the same hopes for th...Bart,<br /><br />I imagine that I have the same hopes for the Presidential election as those promoting a kinder gentler terminology toward Mormons, but political expediency should never trump truth. Why can we not just point out that we are at absolute odds with Mormonism and Mitt Romney concerning the first table of the law but that we are in agreement with them concerning the second table? Matt Bradyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10035601113330072618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-31409852371718531042012-11-01T11:45:13.329-05:002012-11-01T11:45:13.329-05:00Thank you for this article Bart, good stuff and I ...Thank you for this article Bart, good stuff and I agree. I want the Bible to be our only guide. Even on this subject.Debbie Kaufmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17748664558802779885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-47556495048903241872012-11-01T11:27:20.256-05:002012-11-01T11:27:20.256-05:00Bart,
I think you make points worthy of discussio...Bart,<br /><br />I think you make points worthy of discussion. I am not convinced, however, you've made your case, for until you actually get around to informing us all some idea about what warrants a group to be exclusively categorized a "cult" in the first place, a gargantuan feat in itself I would add, you have but made an extended proposition in begging the question.<br /><br />peter lumpkinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00515936082186368659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-12780134065654202652012-10-31T21:44:46.121-05:002012-10-31T21:44:46.121-05:00I do not think Mormonism is a cult.
It is a compl...I do not think Mormonism is a cult.<br /><br />It is a completely different religion to Christianity.<br />Neil Cameron (One Salient Oversight)https://www.blogger.com/profile/03143948543305522865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-9336470672524239032012-10-31T20:35:46.797-05:002012-10-31T20:35:46.797-05:00In Spain, many people confuse Evangelicals with Mo...In Spain, many people confuse Evangelicals with Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses. They basically place all non-Catholics in the same category (unless they're Muslims, Buddhists, etc.). The Catholic Church itself has not helped as in their rhetoric they often refer to Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, and "Protestant sects" ("sectas protestantes") as "creating David Rogershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11701934251748260267noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-48589067579040619142012-10-31T17:54:06.755-05:002012-10-31T17:54:06.755-05:00Bart,
I am so thankful for this post.
The embra...Bart,<br /><br />I am so thankful for this post. <br /><br />The embracing of Mormonism as a "World Religion," the "fourth Great Abrahamic faith," and the declassifying of Mormonism as a cult by high profile Southern Baptists, has done serious public relations damage to the SBC in my judgement, perhaps beyond repair. <br /><br />The image of the SBC being viewed as the Dwight McKissicnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-77558043940710143732012-10-31T17:25:58.823-05:002012-10-31T17:25:58.823-05:00Bart:
Did you ever think you would read from me t...Bart:<br /><br />Did you ever think you would read from me the following words from me--Bart, Excellent Post!<br /><br />I've been SB 38 years of my life and always until recently have I been told that Mormonism was a cult by my Pastors, etc, in the SBC.<br /><br />But now I'm being told that Mormonism is not a cult.<br /><br />Does this change have to do with politics?<br /><br />I thinkTom Parkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12861689101266081092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-11933408568028123572012-10-31T17:07:56.912-05:002012-10-31T17:07:56.912-05:00Bart,
What I am getting from the sudden change on ...Bart,<br />What I am getting from the sudden change on cult status dealing with Mormonism is that I think we have so trumpeted the "run from the cult" ideology that now the pressure is upon them to change that so that rather than running, we can vote. I worry we are selling ourselves out for political gain.<br /><br />I don't like this whole situation and yet it is teaching me to Tim Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10885623376514366024noreply@blogger.com