tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post9194476282761956672..comments2023-10-19T10:34:33.030-05:00Comments on Praisegod Barebones: The Current Void in Background Checking TechnologyBart Barberhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-84225006418446423492008-10-30T21:59:00.000-05:002008-10-30T21:59:00.000-05:00Brother CB,Yet another accusation that has never b...Brother CB,<BR/><BR/>Yet another accusation that has never been leveled in my direction, I must be on to something today ;^)<BR/><BR/>What specifically do you perceive I misunderstand concerning biblical ecclesiology? <BR/><BR/>Peace to you brother,<BR/>From the Middle EastFrom the Middle Easthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07509281349717741174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-39635649786333958392008-10-30T18:10:00.000-05:002008-10-30T18:10:00.000-05:00FTME,One more question if you will indulge me; Did...FTME,<BR/><BR/>One more question if you will indulge me; Did you actually go through missionary training in Richmond?<BR/><BR/>cbCB Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02230652312241919771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-36867513190225402902008-10-30T18:07:00.000-05:002008-10-30T18:07:00.000-05:00FTME,I was kinda hopeful you were from the Vineyar...FTME,<BR/><BR/>I was kinda hopeful you were from the Vineyard Movement that made a concerted effort to invade the IMB a few years back. That would have explained a lot to me relating to the lack of understanding you have of the local church and biblical ecclesiology in general.<BR/><BR/>if I may ask, did you graduate from a SBC seminary?<BR/><BR/>cbCB Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02230652312241919771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-36977814923286203362008-10-30T17:41:00.000-05:002008-10-30T17:41:00.000-05:00Brother CB,I am not sure why you are concerned wit...Brother CB,<BR/><BR/>I am not sure why you are concerned with me being part of the Vineyard Movement. I am not/was not. I made it through the interview process by being truthful. Do I sound overly charismatic to you? I have never been accused of being charismatic before, this is interesting.<BR/><BR/>Peace to you brother,<BR/>From the Middle EastFrom the Middle Easthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07509281349717741174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-16629692449475542752008-10-30T17:34:00.000-05:002008-10-30T17:34:00.000-05:00FTME,In all honesty I was hopeful you did not and ...FTME,<BR/><BR/>In all honesty I was hopeful you did not and I am glad you no longer do.<BR/><BR/>How on earth did you get through the interview process? Were you ever part of the Vineyard Movement?<BR/><BR/>cbCB Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02230652312241919771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-74165453950342162512008-10-30T17:29:00.000-05:002008-10-30T17:29:00.000-05:00Bart,I have never been fired from a church. I have...Bart,<BR/><BR/>I have never been fired from a church. I have fired many people from church:-) before they gathered an army to fire me. IT IS CALLED PRO-ACTIVE CHURCH ADMINISTRATION:-)<BR/><BR/>I have only been fired once in my life. It was not from a church.<BR/><BR/>I have seen situations where pastors should have been fired and were not. I have seen situations where godly pastors were fired by CB Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02230652312241919771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-7584905222161989222008-10-30T17:19:00.000-05:002008-10-30T17:19:00.000-05:00Brother CB,I was with the IMB, but now work with a...Brother CB,<BR/><BR/>I was with the IMB, but now work with a different sending agency that focuses on mobilizing short-term teams to unreached people groups. The teams I lead often work with long-term missionaries from several organizations, the IMB being one. Why do you ask?<BR/><BR/>God's grace be yours in abundance,<BR/>From the Middle EastFrom the Middle Easthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07509281349717741174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-58537016050421845982008-10-30T17:11:00.000-05:002008-10-30T17:11:00.000-05:00FTME,Thanks for applauding my accidental success o...FTME,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for applauding my accidental success on the pumpkin. Our serial agreement here is not necessarily that remarkable; to my knowledge we have only disagreed sharply on one and only one topic, albeit a substantial one.<BR/><BR/>You said: "I do not think the solution has to be bringing in elders from the outside"<BR/><BR/>Of course not. I have not authored a post on theBart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-72094246497666366062008-10-30T17:10:00.000-05:002008-10-30T17:10:00.000-05:00FTME,You are not a career missionary with the IMB ...FTME,<BR/><BR/>You are not a career missionary with the IMB are you?<BR/><BR/>You are not a journeyman with the IMB are you?<BR/><BR/>You are not related to the IMB in any way are you?<BR/><BR/>cbCB Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02230652312241919771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-41808514210194062332008-10-30T15:45:00.000-05:002008-10-30T15:45:00.000-05:00Brother Bart,I think I understand your concern her...Brother Bart,<BR/><BR/>I think I understand your concern here. But I do not think the solution <B>has</B> to be bringing in elders from the outside. I say this for several reasons:<BR/><BR/>1. Why would they treat the new outsiders any different than the elders already run off?<BR/>2. Someone who is trusted is needed to bring to light the sin of divisiveness and disunity. It will take someone From the Middle Easthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07509281349717741174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-50718219277961806652008-10-30T14:15:00.000-05:002008-10-30T14:15:00.000-05:00FTME,I do believe that spiritual health issues exi...FTME,<BR/><BR/>I do believe that spiritual health issues exist in our congregations. In some congregations those issues are more major than they are in others.<BR/><BR/>We are almost entirely in agreement.<BR/><BR/>My point at which we differed is simply that, for the kind of problem congregations that I have mentioned, the reason why they are problem congregations is because they either permit Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-10316002457478300632008-10-30T12:54:00.000-05:002008-10-30T12:54:00.000-05:00Brother Bart,I agree with you, particularly, on th...Brother Bart,<BR/><BR/>I agree with you, particularly, on three points:<BR/>1. Raising up leadership from within does not cure all.<BR/>2. Our culture is increasingly mobile.<BR/>3. Your comments regarding the terms "pastor, elder and overseer in the first paragraph should be required reading for every follower of Jesus in this country.<BR/><BR/>But none of these militates again my comment that, From the Middle Easthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07509281349717741174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-10039694630327319742008-10-30T10:14:00.000-05:002008-10-30T10:14:00.000-05:00FTME,I do not find in the BIble any justification ...FTME,<BR/><BR/>I do not find in the BIble any justification for the idea that there is more than one type (lay, teaching) of elder. Also, the Bible conflates the terms elder, pastor, and overseer. Thus, every elder is also a pastor and an overseer, and every pastor is an elder. Those clarifications granted, I'm entirely comfortable with a congregation choosing pastors (elders) from among Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-18910486112836361962008-10-29T17:00:00.000-05:002008-10-29T17:00:00.000-05:00Brother Bart,Good question. Let me give you three ...Brother Bart,<BR/><BR/>Good question. Let me give you three ways of defining the word elders... just kidding!<BR/><BR/>I mean the group of believers who lead a local community. <BR/><BR/>Peace to you brother,<BR/>From the Middle EastFrom the Middle Easthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07509281349717741174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-24922007352210965782008-10-29T15:03:00.000-05:002008-10-29T15:03:00.000-05:00FTME,Thanks for stopping by. Not only have you con...FTME,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for stopping by. Not only have you contributed to our discussion, but you have reminded me to go check on our other conversation.<BR/><BR/>Now, what do you mean by "elders"?Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-4985113040192266232008-10-29T14:27:00.000-05:002008-10-29T14:27:00.000-05:00Brother Bart,Much of this could be resolved if we ...Brother Bart,<BR/><BR/>Much of this could be resolved if we raised up and appointed elders from within our congregations. <BR/><BR/>Peace to you brother,<BR/>From the Middle EastFrom the Middle Easthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07509281349717741174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-1915144539076523742008-10-28T19:10:00.000-05:002008-10-28T19:10:00.000-05:00CB,You're right...it is subjective. And in my expe...CB,<BR/><BR/>You're right...it is subjective. And in my experience, DOM's have always shot straight with me. But I've known a person or two with a different experience.Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-87158397879135777222008-10-28T19:09:00.000-05:002008-10-28T19:09:00.000-05:00Bob,I agree, but I see a problem. Who gives a "ref...Bob,<BR/><BR/>I agree, but I see a problem. Who gives a "reference" for a church?<BR/><BR/>One interesting thing to do, and something that I have done in the past, is to stop by the local diner, claim that you have an interest in moving to the town, and tell them that you are looking for a good church. The recommendation of the average person on the street will tell you something.Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-19168086766722189772008-10-28T19:07:00.000-05:002008-10-28T19:07:00.000-05:00Wayne,Indeed it would!Wayne,<BR/><BR/>Indeed it would!Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-59751021084553444952008-10-28T15:30:00.000-05:002008-10-28T15:30:00.000-05:00Bart,I realize much of this is subjective. But one...Bart,<BR/><BR/>I realize much of this is subjective. But one thing needs to be certain. The DOM needs to be trustworthy in such matters. He should be totally truthful without regard to his own welfare.<BR/><BR/>If not he should be fired as soon as he is found out.<BR/><BR/>cbCB Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02230652312241919771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-12865629058572060802008-10-28T14:46:00.000-05:002008-10-28T14:46:00.000-05:00Excellent thoughts, Bart. But I sure don't know an...Excellent thoughts, Bart. But I sure don't know an answer beyond the incoming pastor being as thorough with his investigation, as the church that goes 3-deep.Bob Clevelandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06110395869562328309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5643342666676162215.post-68572674676243491722008-10-28T14:44:00.000-05:002008-10-28T14:44:00.000-05:00Bart,Praise the Lord for the Steadfastness of His ...Bart,<BR/><BR/>Praise the Lord for the Steadfastness of His Church in Farmersville. Wouldn’t it be Great if all Churches followed the example of your Church.<BR/><BR/>WayneWayne Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14218244632682134340noreply@blogger.com