The legal decision Roe v. Wade was so nonsensical, so pulled out of thin air, so clearly a matter of agenda rather than sound jurisprudence, that even liberal judicial scholar John Hart Ely (such an abortion-rights proponent that he said, "Were I a legislator, I would vote for a statute very much like the one the [Supreme] Court ends up drafting [in Roe v. Wade]") derided the decision, flatly stating, "[Roe v. Wade] is bad because it is bad constitutional law, or rather because it is not constitutional law and gives almost no sense of an obligation to try to be."
These words appear in the Yale Law Review as a part of Ely's now-famous article, "The Wages of Crying Wolf." Ely basically asks the Supreme Court, "What were you thinking when you wrote this decision?" He's not alone in his opinion of the landmark 1973 court opinion.
Well, if you want a little insight into what they were thinking, you might check out Ruth Bader Ginsburg's new interview with the New York Times (HT: Baptist Press). In that article, not only did Ginsburg trample over SCOTUS protocol to come out in support of Sotomayor's nomination to the court, but she also disclosed her understanding that the Supreme Court was attempting in Roe v. Wade to keep America from being overrun with poor ethnic minorities (you know, the folks who have way too many kids).
In my opinion, it is controversial enough to hear first-hand that the Supreme Court has ANY agenda in mind other than interpreting the Constitution of the United States. On top of that, to hear that the Supreme Court is dabbling in eugenics? Well, Ginsburg's interview is as incendiary as it is revealing.
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And again we have to tip our hats to the mainstream christians who were so tired of the "culture war" that they knowingly voted in the most pro-abortion candidate EVER. Sure would'va been nice to have gotten a few more anti-abortion justices on the bench and overturned the mess that is Roe v. Wade.
And to add to what Joe said, who is more active in "politics"? Christians or the left? I still say that when it comes to life - we Christians had better be active and not listen to the still unlearned voices of ignorance.
Joe B and Tim G:
Do either or both of you guys lay any blame on the Republican Party for contributing to the win of President Obama by nominating Sen. John McCain and Govenor Sarah Palin? The election results were just not very close.
Off topic: great music video on forgiveness (by Country Christian Music Association award-winner [and Texan] Clifton Jansky) here: http://new.music.yahoo.com/videos/clifton-jansky/can-you-hear-me-now--2158345.
Wade Burleson refers to a similar forgiveness-results video at his site today.
Application personally . . . ?
David Troublefield
P.S. Word Verification to post this: "conwarr"!
Tom P:
It would have been a lot closer if the stock market hadn't fallen off a cliff.
Tom,
I would've loved for a solid conservative candidate from the 'Pubs rather than that left-winger McCain. However, I was pretty sure he would put anti-abortion and anti-gay rights judges on the bench so I could hold my nose and vote for him. Plus, Palins was much more conservative than he was so I was also hopeful that she could go from Veep to President and ensure a solidly conservative Supreme Court for a good long time.
Now, thanks to mainstream christians who were so weary of that awful "culture war" we will never in my children's lifetime see a solidly conservative high court.
Joe B:
Maybe you can help me and others--please define mainstream christian. My thanks in advance.
Joe:
Who are mainstream Christians?
David Troublefield
It seemed clear to me that Joe was talking about the use of the word "Mainstream" by groups like "Mainstream Baptists" in Southern Baptist life.
Bart or Joe:
Who are Mainstream Baptists? Are they bad?
David Troublefield
Mainstream Baptists
Bart
Yup, that was what I meant. Tom, sorry I didn't get back to respond. Had a couple of kids to wrassle down for bed. The link Bart provided give better explanations than I ever could of what they believe. A thumbnail skectch would be (a) they're very into the "social gospel" or political liberalism (b) the Bible isn't the word of God it just "contains" the word of God (c) even the parts of the Bible that are scripture aren't to be taken literally.
And Tom, for a church that would be what I would call mainstream that is still SBC all you'd have to do is look about 1,200 miles due west of North Carolina and you'd be pretty close. (wink)
Joe B:
You said:"And again we have to tip our hats to the mainstream christians who were so tired of the "culture war" that they knowingly voted in the most pro-abortion candidate EVER." As an accountant do you offer any proof or documentation of your claim.
Bart B:
You said--"It seemed clear to me that Joe was talking about the use of the word "Mainstream" by groups like "Mainstream Baptists" in Southern Baptist life."
What is clear to one is unclear to others. Terms describing people are thrown around every day in the SB world that are just not very clear to me. Personally I do not like to use terms to describe people I do not know personally well enough to attempt to label them.
Tom Parker,
Certainly we do need to be careful about the labeling of other people. Sometimes it needs to be done, but it ought to be done carefully and cautiously.
However, when you call someone by their self-described name, that's hardly labeling. When you call me "Bart" I think you're on pretty safe ground, and when you call the "Mainstream Baptists" (self-assigned name) by the label "Mainstream Baptists," then I don't see anything wrong with that.
Tom,
The supporting documentation is in the schedule of adjusting entries in the third drawer of the file cabinet. The numbers should trace to the credit memos from Ace Hardware for the returned merchandise dated 5-8-09. Haa
Kidding. I have read on comment threads on this blog and on other blog comments by a particular individual citing their disgust with the culture wars. In fact, this particular blogger said on their blog recently "Cultural wars will end. We will be so busy loving them, giving them Jesus Christ, that we will not want to war against them." What that means is we won't be voting against homosexual rights to marry and pushing for abortion to be made illegal. The reason people that would be labled mainstream baptists don't want what they call "culture wars" is because it's easier to give up and let the bad guys (those who want abortion to be legal and gays to have the rights to marry) have their way.
As to proof of the fact that the church I mentioned is 1,200 miles due west of NC, well, just get out a map and take a gander at it. Haa
I'm sorry if I show my ignorance, but it seems very odd to me to use the term "Mainstream Baptist" to decribe a minority in the Baptist community. I guess the label "mainbstream" has become a perjorative.
Anon,
I think what they mean when they call themselves "Mainstream" is that they represent what most Baptists really believe. At least, that's the image they want to project. Now I use the term pejoritively and couple it with "christian" with a lower case c to mock their lack of doctrinal convictions and fidelity to God's word.
Joe B:
You said--"Now I use the term pejoritively and couple it with "christian" with a lower case c to mock their lack of doctrinal convictions and fidelity to God's word."
Why do you feel this need to mock other Christians? It is not our job to judge them as Christian or non-Christian. Do you know these people's hearts? Do you know their doctrinal convictions?--do you know about these people's fidelity to God's word?--Who are these faceless people you mock?
I do not know how much you know about the CR, but the tactics you are using were used very effectively to ruin other people's lives. Mocking someone for being a liberal or for not believing the Bible.
It is just a suggestion, but if I were you and I am not, I would go real easy on mocking "Christians."
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