Tuesday, December 9, 2008

Great Conversations in History, Installment #1


Ron P. said...


Do you actually think you will get an answer to your question, or like Adlai Stevenson are you prepared to wait?


Ron P.

debbiekaufman said...

Bart: I'll answer for myself. The day you stop speaking of closed communions, the day you stop excluding, the day you apologize to those who have been pushed out, is the day I will believe you. Not before.

Bart Barber said...


I wonder, can you identify at all just what it is that you are answering for yourself?

Tim G said...

I do not know ONE person that Bart Barber has ever excluded! Nor do I know of anyone that Bart has pushed out.

For that matter - I do not know anyone who has pushed anyone else out! Please name them!

jmmath said...

Thirteen Days = best movie ever
This scene is seen from the view of the White House

Bart Barber said...


I agree. I love the part with Bobby Kennedy poised over the phone itching to pull Adlai Stevenson out. Stevenson really hit a home run, didn't he?

CB Scott said...


For my part, I might exclude at least one person. :-)


Anonymous said...


Interesting and famous clip.

I must be missing something, at least as to the timing of the criticisms. Was Adlai Stevenson in favor of closed communion or something?

Was there some other post that these people are referencing?


Bart Barber said...


Now that you ask, Adlai Stevenson was actually a Unitarian whom Illinois Presbyterians accepted carte blanche for simultaneous membership in their church and the Unitarian Universalist church. Stevenson was, then, a heretic and a Presbyterian!

However, none of this has anything to do with this post. I asked a question at another blog. I simply posted this video while I am awaiting my reply.

Bart Barber said...

Of course, Debbie would doubtless agree with the Presbyterian decision—she's against excluding anyone.

Taran said...

One of the great ironies of this whole exchange is that Stevenson was a complete egghead who was usually about as exciting as Warren Christopher. But he certainly shone in this moment.

Anonymous said...


Thanks for the info. I was doing some reading last night and saw your question. So now I understand.

Stevenson's reputation was rehabiliated with lots of folks by this exchange.


Bart Barber said...

Truly, it is a great moment for Adlai Stevenson. Mention has already been made of "Thirteen Days." Throughout the movie, I confess that I was waiting for this moment.